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  1. #31
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    From Galatians chapter 4 KJV in describing what I post above.

    The whole of the Chapter is good..but the parts I am want to describe begin about verse 21 to 31....pertaining to Ishmael and Isaac.....or put another way....the Olde and New Testaments.


    21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

    22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

    23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

    24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

    27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

    28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

    30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

    31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

    Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!

    Not an Ishmaelite.
    Last edited by orangetom1999; 02-22-2021 at 12:25 PM.

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    I'm gonna put some info here that will perhaps explain WHY Jesus was born of a virgin...and it IS virgin...NOT just "youth". Let's start with Genesis, Chapter 3., right after Adam and Eve confessed to eating of the forbidden fruit, after Eve "'whined"..."the serpent beguiled me". Then, God speaking to the serpent: Verse 15, "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and HER seed...WHOA!! Hold on a minute. Her seed...HER seed??!! Everyone knows a woman does not carry seed, the man does. So what is this? Its actually the very first referrence in the bible to the VIRGIN birth of Jesus Christ. Now, fast forwarding to the new testament, Matthew chapter one, verses one-seventeen. This traces the lineage from Abraham to Joseph, who was the husband of Mary, who was the mother of Jesus. Jesus was not conceived from the seed of a human father. "she was found to be with child of the Holy Ghost,"...(verse eighteen). Now, back to the old testament for a moment. What was God's requirement of any animal brought for sacrifice...that it be without blemish, perfect. Now, had Jesus been conceived from the seed of a human father he could not have met God's requirement for "without blemish", perfection. He would have been born in sin just as we are. He was rather "conceived" of the Holy Ghost, and could ...and that requirement for perfection. And for the record, virgin meant just that, a young woman who had not yet had sexual union with a man. And to clarify something else; Deuteronomy, chapter 29, verse 29a, tells us "the secret things belong unto the Lord our God". Some things must be taken on faith, face value, without tangible evidence of its reality. Now, where was I? Oh, you'll notice that is no record of the lineage of Mary, not that I can find anyway. So, yes it WAS necessary that Jesus NOT be conceived from the seed of a human father. And Jesus WAS NOT a human sacifice, not in the sense we think of it. He sacrificed Himself, willingly, for our redemption, our salvation.

    Now, both the old and new testaments are pertinent and vital. The old testament tells of of the creation of man, his fall from grace, defines and describes the consequence of failing to obey God's ordinances (remember all the tribulations the Israelites went through down through the centuries after they left Egypt), and gives the promise of the future coming of a savior, a redeemer. It also show the impossibility of man to abide by "the law". And remember, too, that Jesus told us that to be guilty of any part of the law is to be guilty of all the law. The new testament tells us of the coming to pass that promise of a savior and who He is. And I will not relinquish my faith and trust in Him as my Savior.

    Maybe I could have explained this more clearly, I don't know. And I know I said I wasn't going to say anything more on this topic, but the Lord had other thoughts. He layed a heavy burden on my heart about this and I couldn't not follow it up. I hope and pray this makes some sense, and may be of help to someone.
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    The Messianic Redemption will be ushered in by a person, a human leader, a descendant of Kings David and Solomon, who will reinstate the Davidic royal dynasty. According to tradition, Moshiach will be wiser than Solomon, and a prophet around the level of Moses.

    Ever since the destruction of the Holy Temple, in every generation there is an individual, a scion of the House of David, who has the potential to be the Moshiach. If at any moment the Jews are worthy of redemption, this person would be directed from Above to assume the role of the redeemer.

    In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the MoshiachDuring the Messianic Era, the Moshiach will serve a dual role. He will be a monarch, ruling over all of humanity with kindness and justice, and upholding the law of the Torah—613 commandments for the Jews, and seven for the non-Jews. He will also be the ultimate teacher, the conduit for the deepest and most profound dimensions of the Torah which will then be revealed by G‑d.

    How are we to identify the Moshiach?

    Moshiach is not identified by his ability to perform earth-shattering miracles. In fact, he isn't required to perform any miracles at all (although the performance of miracles doesn't disqualify him either).

    The following are the criteria for identifying the Moshiach, as written by Maimonides:

    If we see a Jewish leader who (a) toils in the study of Torah and is meticulous about the observance of the mitzvot, (b) influences the Jews to follow the ways of the Torah and (c) wages the "battles of G‑d"—such a person is the "presumptive Moshiach."

    If the person succeeded in all these endeavors, and then rebuilds the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and facilitates the ingathering of the Jews to the Land of Israel—then we are certain that he is the Moshiach.

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    In the beginning G‑d created the heavens and the earth... and the spirit of G‑d hovered over the waters...

    Genesis 1:1-2

    ("The spirit of G‑d hovered" — this is the spirit of Moshiach - Midrash Rabbah).

    And G‑d saw all that He made, and behold, it is very good.

    Genesis 1:31

    All His work, which G‑d created (for man) to develop.

    Genesis 2:3

    They shall build for Me a sanctuary and I shall dwell amongst them.

    Exodus 25:8

    You will cross the Jordan and settle the land which G‑d is giving you as an inheritance. He will give you rest from all your enemies which surround you, and you will dwell secure. Then there shall be a place which G‑d shall choose to cause His name to dwell therein...

    There you shall seek Him...

    - Deuteronomy 12:10-11; 12:5

    "You will return to the L-rd your G‑d...

    And the L-rd your G‑d shall return with your returnees... and He will return and gather you from all the nations amongst whom the L-rd your G‑d has scattered you..."

    "If your outcasts shall be at the ends of the heavens, from there will the L-rd your G‑d gather you, from there He will take you... [He] will bring you into the Land which your fathers have possessed and you will possess it, and he will do you good and multiply you, more than your fathers...

    [He] will circumcise your heart (remove its coarse covering, make it receptive to G‑dliness) ... to love the L-rd your G‑d with all your heart and with all your soul...

    G‑d will again rejoice over you... for you shall hearken to the voice of G‑d... to keep His commandments and statues which are written in this book of the Torah...

    - Deuteronomy 30:2-10

    It shall come to pass in the last days, that the mount of the house of G‑d shall be established atop the mountains, and be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall stream to it.

    And many nations will go, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of G‑d, to the house of the G‑d of Jacob; and he (Moshiach) will teach us of His ways and we will walk in His paths." For from Zion shall go forth Torah, and the word of G‑d from Jerusalem.

    And he (Moshiach) will judge between nations, and decide among the peoples.

    And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword upon nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

    - Isaiah 2:2-4

    There shall come forth a shoot out of the stem of Yishai, a branch shall grow from his roots. The spirit of G‑d shall rest upon him: the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of G‑d... Righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faith the girdle of his reins.

    The wolf will dwell with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the kid... the cow and the bear will graze... the lion will eat straw as the ox... the suckling child will play on the cobra's hole...

    For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of G‑d, as the waters cover the sea.

    - Isaiah 11:1-9

    No longer shall your Master be cloaked; your eyes will behold your Master.

    The glory of G‑d will be revealed. And all flesh will see that the mouth of G‑d has spoken.

    - Isaiah 30:20; 40:5

    I have given you a national covenant: to be a light unto the nations.

    - Isaiah 42:6

    I will set my Torah in their innards and write it upon their hearts...

    - Jeremiah 31:32

    I will take you from the nations, gather you from the countries and bring you to your land... From all your contaminations, from all your idols, I will cleanse you.

    I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will place within you. I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

    I will place My spirit within you.

    - Ezekiel 36:24-27

    I will make a covenant of peace with them, an everlasting covenant... and I shall set My dwelling in their midst for evermore.

    - Ezekiel 37:26

    I will no longer hide my face from them.

    - Ezekiel 39:29

    I shall pour forth my spirit upon all flesh.

    - Joel 3:1

    Behold, days are coming, says G‑d, when I will send a famine upon the earth; not a famine for bread, nor a thirst for water, but to hear the word of G‑d.

    - Amos 8:11

    For then I shall turn to the nations a pure tongue, that all shall call upon the name of G‑d to serve Him as one.

    - Zephaniah 3:9

    I shall remove evil from the world.

    - Zechariah 13:2

    And G‑d shall be king over the entire world; on that day, G‑d will be one, and His name, one.

    - Zechariah 14:9

    Behold, I am sending you Elijah the prophet, before the great and awesome day of G‑d will come. He will restore the hearts of fathers to their children, and the hearts of children to their fathers.

    - Malachi 3:23-24

    I am sleeping but my heart is awake.

    - Song of Songs 5:2

    (This refers to the state of galut. -Midrash Rabbah)

    The voice of my beloved, behold he has come, leaping over the mountains, skipping over the hills... Behold, he is standing behind our wall, watching through the windows, peering through the cracks... Arise my loved one, my fair one, and go forth! For behold, the winter is over, the rain is over and gone. The blossoms have appeared on earth, the time of singing has arrived, and the voice of the guide is heard in the land!"

    - Song of Songs 2:8-12

    From the Supernal One cannot emerge both evil and good.

    Lamentations 3:38

    (Thus the "evil" we encounter is but the concealment of good. -Chassidic teaching)

    See our pain, wage our battle, and redeem us, speedily, for the sake of Your name...

    Sound the great shofar for our redemption, raise a banner to gather our exiles; gather us from the four corners of the earth to our land...

    Restore our judges as of yore, and our advisers as before. Remove from us sadness and sighing. Reign over us, You, G‑d, alone, with kindness and compassion, with righteousness and justice...

    Return to Your city, Jerusalem, with mercy, and dwell within her, as You have promised. The throne of Your servant, David, in her establish, and rebuild her, soon, in our days, as an everlasting edifice...

    The offshoot of David, Your servant, may you speedily sprout forth... for we await Your salvation all day long...

    Find favour, G‑d, with Your nation Israel, and turn to their prayers. Restore the service to the chambers of Your home...

    May our eyes behold Your merciful return to Zion. Blessed are You G‑d, Who restores His Shechinah to Zion.

    - from the daily Amidah prayer

    Therefore, we await you, G‑d, to soon see the glory of Your power... To remove the idols from earth... To perfect the world through the sovereignty of G‑d, so the all flesh will call in Your name...

    May all dwellers of earth recognize and know: before You shall bend every knee, before You shall swear every tongue.

    - from the daily Oleinu prayer

    On the day that the Holy Temple was destroyed, a Jew was plowing his field when his cow suddenly called out. An Arab was passing by and heard the call of the cow. Said the Arab to the Jew: "Son of Judah! Unyoke your cow, free the stake of your plow, for your Holy Temple has now been destroyed." The cow then called a second time. Said the Arab to the Jew: "Son of Judah! Yoke your cow, reset the stake of your plow, for Moshiach has now been born."

    Said Rabbi Bon: "Do we need to learn this from an Arab? The Torah itself says so. The verse predicts "The great tree shall be felled by the mighty one." And what is written immediately following? "There shall come forth a shoot out of the stem of Yishai..."

    Jerusalem Talmud, Brachot 2:4

    In the future era of Moshiach G‑d will slaughter the inclination for evil.

    Talmud, Sukah 52a

    The giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai marked the betrothal of G‑d and Israel. The rebuilding of the Holy Temple will consummate the marriage.

    Talmud, Taanit 26b

    Wherever the Jewish people are exiled, G‑d is exiled with them; and when they will be redeemed, G‑d, too, will be redeemed along with them. As it is written: "G‑d shall return with your returnees..."

    Talmud, Megilla 29a

    A person does not commit a sin unless a spirit of insanity enters into him.

    Talmud, Sotah 3a

    Says G‑d: "I have created the inclination for evil, and I have created the Torah as its antidote."

    Talmud Kiddushin 30b

    One who marries a woman with the understanding and on the condition that he is a perfectly righteous individual, even if he is utterly wicked, the marriage may be valid. For with a single repenting thought he may have completely transformed himself.

    Talmud, Kiddushin 49b

    All deadlines for the coming of Moshiach have come and gone - the thing depends solely on our returning to G‑d.

    Talmud, Sanhedrin 97b

    G‑d desired a dwelling place within the physical existence.

    Midrash Tanchuma, Naso 16

    The Torah says: "I was the tool of G‑d's artistry." An architect who builds a palace does not do so on his own: he has scrolls and notebooks which he consults how to place the rooms, where to set the doors. So it was with G‑d: He looked into the Torah and created the world.

    Midrash Rabbah, Berei**** 1:2

    Said Moses: "Who can build Him a sanctuary?" Said G‑d: "I ask not according to My capacity but according to their capacity."

    Midrash Rabbah Bamidbar 12

    When a person builds a house, he makes the windows narrow on the outside and wider within. But when King Solomon built the Holy Temple he made the windows narrow within and wide without, so that its light should emanate to the outside...

    Midrash Rabbah Bamidbar 15

    In the future era of Moshiach, if a person would go pick a fig on Shabbos, it will cry out: "Do not pick me! Today is Shabbat!"

    Midrash Tehillim 73

    G‑d looked into the Torah and created the world. Man looks into Torah and sustains the world.

    Zohar (vol. II, p. 161b)

    There was once a king who had a only son whom he loved very much. One day, the king said: "I want to bring to light the goodness of my son." So he summoned a harlot, and said to her: "Go entice my son to sin."

    Great is the merit of this harlot, in two respects: she fulfills the command of the king, and she causes the virtue of the prince to be revealed through his rejection of her.

    This is the meaning of the Midrash's interpretation of the verse "And G‑d saw all that He made, and behold, it is very good." "Good," says the Midrash, is man's inclination for good; "very good," this is the inclination for evil. For it is the challenge of evil which brings the potential good of man into actuality.

    Zohar (vol. II, p. 163a)

    Every man should view himself as equally balanced: half good and half evil. Likewise, he should see the entire world as half good half evil... So that with a single good deed he will tip the scales for himself, and for the entire world, to the side of good.

    - Maimonides (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Repentance 3:4).

    If the law mandates that a person grant his wife a divorce, and he refuses, a Jewish court, in any time or place, may beat him until he says "I am willing" and writes the writ of divorce. This is a valid divorce [despite the fact that, according to Torah law, a divorce must be granted willingly] ... Why? Because an act is not considered to be "coerced" unless the person has been forced to do something which he is not morally obligated by the Torah; for example, one who has been forced to sell or give away his property. But one who has been overpowered by his evil inclination to negate a mitzvah or to commit a transgression, and was forced to do what is right, he is not considered "coerced"-on the contrary, it is his evil character which has forced him, against his true will, in the first place.

    Thus, this individual who refuses to grant a divorce, in truth, wishes to be of Israel, and wishes to observe all of the commandments and to avoid all of the transgressions of the Torah. It is only that his evil inclination has overpowered him. So if he is beaten so that his evil inclination is weakened, and he says: "I am willing,"-he has willingly divorced.

    - Maimonides (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Divorce 2:20).

    The Melech HaMoshiach ("anointed king") is destined to arise and restore the kingdom of David to its glory of old, to its original sovereignty. He will build the Holy Temple and gather the dispersed of Israel. In his times, all laws (of the Torah) will be reinstated as before; the sacrifices will be offered, the Sabbatical year and the Jubilee year instituted as outlined in the Torah.

    Whoever does not believe in him or does not anticipate his coming, denies not only the other prophets but also the Torah and Moses. For the Torah testifies about him: "G‑d shall return with your captivity and have compassion upon you. and He will return and gather you from all the nations amongst whom the L-rd your G‑d has scattered you... If your outcasts shall be at the ends of the heavens, from there will the L-rd your G‑d gather you, from there He will take you... G‑d will bring you..." These explicit words of the Torah encapsulate all that has been said (concerning Moshiach) by the prophets...

    - Maimonides (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings 11:1).

    Should there arise a king from the house of David, one who studies the Torah and fulfills its precepts... who will prevail upon all of Israel to follow it and repair its breaches, and will wage the battle of G‑d - he is presumed to be Moshiach. If he did so and was successful, and he built the Holy Temple on its site and gathered the dispersed of Israel - he is certainly Moshiach. He will (then) correct the entire world to serve G‑d together, as is written: "For then I shall turn to the nations a pure tongue, that all shall call upon the name of G‑d to serve Him as one."

    - Maimonides (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings 11:4).

    The sages and the prophets did not crave the era of Moshiach in order to rule over the world... or to eat, drink and rejoice, only so that they be free for Torah and its wisdom and be rid of any oppressor and disrupter...

    - Maimonides (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings 12:4).

    And at that time there will be no hunger or war, no jealousy or rivalry. For the good will be plentiful, and all delicacies available as dust. The entire occupation of the world will be only to know G‑d... Israel will be of great wisdom; they will perceive the esoteric truths and comprehend their Creator's wisdom as is the capacity of man. As it is written: "For the earth shall be filed with the knowledge of G‑d, as the waters cover the sea..."

    - Maimonides (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings 12:5).

    The culmination and goal of all prophecies is the coming of Moshiach; as our sages have stated: "All the prophets prophesied only concerning the days of Moshiach."

    Nachmonides (in his Book of Redemption)

    We await the redemption not in order to eat of the fruit of the land and bathe in the hot springs of Tiberias, but in the hope to attain the closeness of G‑d, to be in His Sanctuary with His priests and prophets; so that we shall be pervaded by purity and holiness, being in the Chosen Land with His presence dwelling amongst us. Thus we will be able attain far more than we are capable of today, exiled among nations which corrupt us and with the impurity and contamination within us. For then, in the days of Moshiach, the evil inclination will be destroyed, and we will comprehend the truth as it is. This, and things much deeper and esoteric than what I have related, is the basis of our desire and longing for Moshiach...

    Nachmonides (in his Book of Redemption)

    What we do today, can accomplish more than what was attained by all the great generations who came before us. We are like a little person who stands on the shoulders of a giant.

    Rabbi Tzidkiah dei Mansi (introduction to his Shibolei Haleket)

    The Jewish people has been exiled in order that the nations of the world may thereby learn of the existence of G‑d and of His providence over the affairs of man.

    Rabbeinu B'chayei

    There is an important dichotomy between the environment required to serve G‑d, and that required for the satisfaction and reward for such service. In order to attain the maximum of accomplishment, one must obey G‑d's will in an environment which represents the maximum challenge in doing what is right. It must therefore be an environment in which neither G‑d Himself, nor the divine nature of His commandments are obvious. On the other hand, the divine truth must be obvious and revealed in the environment where man is to enjoy the fruit of his deeds.

    To resolve this dichotomy, G‑d created two levels to existence. He created the present world, with its concealment of His truth, the possibility of "evil", and the free choice of man, as the ultimate arena for challenge and accomplishment. He also created the "world to come" as the world of ultimate reward, the environment in which the nature of our positive accomplishments will be realized and appreciated.

    Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto (Derech Hashem 1:3:4)

    Every day, something of the redemption is realized.

    Rabbi Yeshayahu Horowitz (Shaloh 251a)

    Every soul possesses a spark of the soul of Moshiach.

    - Rabbi Israel Baal Shem Tov (quoted in Meor Einayim)

    "...I asked Moshiach: "Sir, when will you come?" and he answered me: "When your teachings will be publicized and revealed in the world and your wellsprings will spread to the outside..."

    - Rabbi Israel Baal Shem Tov (In a letter to his brother-in-law, Rabbi Gershon Kitiver)

    Our sages have said that "the purpose of the creation of this world is that G‑d desired to have an abode in the lower worlds."

    Obviously, concerning Him the distinction of "upper" (spiritual) and "lower" (physical) has no meaning or validity, for He pervades all realms of existence equally.

    The explanation of the matter, however, is as follows:

    Before the world was created He was one alone, one and unique, filling all the "space" of (what was later to be termed) reality. Insofar as He is concerned, it is still the same now. For the "change" brought about by creation relates only to those on the receiving end of the life-force He infuses into creation, which they receive through many "garments" or "filters" which conceal and obscure the divine essence of reality. Without these "garments" they would be unable to exist, as it is written, "For no man can see Me and live." This applies equally to the physical creations and to the loftiest of angels and spiritual existences.

    This is the concept of hishtalshelut, the downward gradation of the worlds and their descent, degree by degree, through a multitude of "garments" which screen the light and life that emanate from Him, until there was created this material and gross world, the lowest in degree, of which there is none lower in regard to the concealment of His manifest reality. A world of doubled and redoubled darkness, so much that it even contains "evil" - elements which oppose the reality of G‑d, saying: "I am, and there is nothing else besides me."

    Clearly, the purpose of the hishtalshelut of the worlds and their descent, degree by degree, is not for the sake of the "higher" spiritual worlds, for they constitute a descent from the light of His manifest presence. The ultimate purpose of creation is this lowest world, precisely because of its "lowliness". For such was G‑d's desire: that the negative be subdued and the darkness transformed into light.

    For this purpose, G‑d gave the Torah to Israel. Torah is the means by which the reality of G‑d is integrated into one's physical existence so that he will] retain his existence and not be nullified by the light of G‑d which will be revealed in the future era of Moshiach, unobscured by any "garments". As it is written: "No longer shall your Master be cloaked (meaning, no longer shall He conceal Himself by the means of any cloak or garment), your eyes will behold your Master"; "For they shall see eye to eye, when G‑d returns to Zion"; and "G‑d shall be your everlasting light."

    The era of Moshiach is the fulfillment and culmination of the creation of the world, for which purpose it was originally created.

    Something of this revelation has been experienced once before on earth — at the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai. As it is written: "To you it has be shown, to know that the Lord is G‑d; there is nought else beside Him": it has be shown - G‑dliness was then perceived with physical vision. Our sages have also told us: "They looked eastwards and heard the words issuing forth: 'I Am the Lord your G‑d...'; and so it was when they turned to all four points of the compass, upwards, and downwards... There was no place from which He did not speak to them." This, because the Ten Commandments encapsulate the entire Torah, which is the innermost expression of His wisdom and will; and before the Torah, there is no concealment whatsoever of the face of G‑d, as it is written: "For by the light of Your countenance You have given us the Torah of life."

    This is why those who stood at Sinai repeatedly expired out of existence, as our sages have taught: "With each Divine utterance their souls took flight... But G‑d restored their souls to them with the dew with which He will revive the dead." - namely, the "dew of Torah" as our sages have referred to the fortitude which Torah gives.

    Later, however, sin coarsened both them and the world - until the era of Moshiach, when the physicality of the body and the world will be refined, and we will be able to apprehend the revealed Divine light which will shine forth to Israel by means of the Torah.

    The "overflow" of light will illuminate the darkness of all other nations, as well. As it is written: "And thew nation will walk by your light"; "O, house of Jacob, come, let us walk by the light of G‑d"; and "The glory of G‑d will be revealed. And all flesh will see that the mouth of G‑d has spoken"...

    Now this culminating fulfillment of the era pf Moshiach -the revelation of the reality of G‑d in this material world- depends on our deeds and labor throughout the duration of the galut. For Moshiach is not merely the reward for our fulfillment of the mitzvos, but their result: when a person does a mitzvah, he draws down a flow of divine light into the world, to be suffused and integrated into the material reality...

    - Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi (Tanya, Chapters 36 & 37)

    Galut has been compared by the Torah to a state of sleep and dreaming. When a person is awake, his intellect governs his thoughts. But during sleep his imaginings run amok, so that his dreams may contain contradictions and absurdities.

    This is the spiritual significance of galut: the divine essence of man's soul is "asleep". His priorities are twisted and distorted, and he is blind to the blatant contradictions in his life. He may arouse his heart with a love towards G‑d in prayer, a love which ignites his soul with the yearning to divest itself of all material involvements and cleave only to Him, yet soon afterwards he immerses himself in the petty concerns and follies of life...

    - Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi (Torah Or, p. 56)

    The duration of the galut is comparable to the fetus' nine months of incubation in the mother's womb. The redemption of Moshiach represents the moment of birth.

    While in the womb, the fetus possesses all of its organs and limbs, but their function is diminished or non-existent. The body and potential which formed and developed throughout the pregnancy is infused with the breath of life only upon its emergence into the light of day.

    - Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi (Torah Or, p. 109)

    A mitzvah performed in galut is comparable to a seed placed in the ground. With the redemption of Moshiach, the seed will break the surface, and grow and flourish.

    The seed's duration of concealment underground is what unleashes its potential to later grow and increase itself many times over. So it is with the mitzvah: it is the process of galut which develops the tremendous potential that is latent in each positive deed.

    - Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi (Likutei Torah on Song of Songs, p. 99)

    Once there was a powerfully fortified city which no army could conquer. Many mighty warrior-kings came and went, but none could breach its walls.

    On day, there came a king who was determined to conquer the city. Time and again his armies stormed its walls, only to fall back in defeat. Soon the king had not a single soldier left. But then he examined the fortress' walls and found that they were at the point of collapse. Yet all his brilliant generals and courageous knights were gone. So he raised an army of old men, women and children, and with them, he conquered the city.

    - Rabbi Nachman of Breslav

    The Talmud states: "The Jewish people were exiled among the nations only for the sake of the converts who will join them."

    The "converts" which the Talmud is referring to are the "sparks of holiness" which were scattered throughout the universe at the time of creation and buried within the material existence. Divine providence has brought the Jew to every point on earth, so that by developing his environment and his using its resources to serve G‑d, he would extract these sparks of holiness and unite them with their supernal Source.

    There are two ways in which these "sparks" are redeemed. The first is through the above-mentioned process of galut, in which the Jew follows them to the ends of earth in order to elevate them. But with the coming of Moshiach, the soul of every creation will gravitate, on its own accord, to the great light which will emanate from Jerusalem, as sparks are drawn towards a flaming torch.

    - Chassidic teaching

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    Isaiah, chapter 53, verse 12: (old testament): Philippians, chapter 2, verses 7-11 (new testament): Mark, chapter 4, verses 3-8...parable of the sower and verses 14-20...Jesus explains the parable to his disciples: Mark, chapter 6, verses 7-11. I'm not going to take up the space to quote all these, but, Finris, you really need to read them. And, my friend, if I may offer an observation...not from a sense of meaness or in any way intendingit to be belittling or berating, but rather from genuine concern. You keep telling us all about how we have been lied to, misled, and are in error in our beliefs, but it seems to have never entered your mind that just maybe YOU could be the one in error. Finris, I think, in all honesthy, you're scared to death to open the new testament and read it. I think you're afraid you may have to confront the fact and admit to, especially, yourself, that you may be wrong. It takes a lot of courage to go some places you've never been and to learn things you've never known. I urge you, take that step. And if you will humble yourself before God, ask Him to reveal to you His truth, and do so with an open mind...genuinely seeking to know the truth, you just might be shocked,, enlightened and encouraged at what you find.

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    The Lord Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins...brought in the New Testament with His death ..His Shedding of His Blood on the Cross for His People.

    What many Ministers do not teach to their flocks is that until the Cross...He lived and Kept the Olde Testament....His walk on this earth was OLde Testament and He Faithfully Kept the Olde Testament. Often He is rebuking the Hebrews and in particular the Hebrew leadership for misleading the Hebrews about the Olde Testament and what they were to do.

    Many Christians do not realize this...that The Lord Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins ...Walked this earth in His ministry keeping the Olde Testament. do not see THe Lord Jesus the Christ for Remission of sins quoting the Talmud....or any such non Olde Testament Rules or Traditions of men.

    These traditions of men were centuries later codified into books which became known as the Talmud....but make no mistake ..this rule making tratitions of men was being done in the time of Jesus walk on this earth...and before..which was under the Olde Testament. But the traditions of men in the Talmud was not to be part of the Olde Testament....

    Jesus never taught from the Traditions of Men.....but rebuked the Hebrews and their leadership for so doing..
    Our ministers should teach this to their flocks...but leave them unknowledgeable and unarmored....untutored.

    Oh...and Christians have their Talmuds too...commentaries to tell us the Bible does not say what it says but says this new revaluation. Matthew Henry for example....commentaries...

    Another form of Talmud for the Christians is footnotes. Footnotes are the Bible in footnotes...not in the text itself.

    The Bible itself if the best interpreter of what it says....not the traditions of men....not footnotes..

    Anything of importance to the Christian in the OLde Testament will be spoken about and or taught by the Lord Jesus the Christ for Remission of Sins or one of His Apostles.

    In Particular the Apostle Paul uses a lot of Olde Testament in his ministry for he is well versed in the Olde Testament as a Pharisee...and a Benjamite.

    Not an Ishmaelite

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    So many issues to discuss.

    Judaism does not require the Death of the Messiah. No one can die for your sins. Again more ignorance being regurgitated, by those who are ignorant of the Word.

    Judaism has no such thing as this Half Man Half G-D stuff. Honestly that whole diatribe is Paganism Jesus or Hercules half man half G-D stuff is completely paganism No one needed to come down from Mount Olympus to make the Messiah.
    The Only Testament is both written and Oral. There are things that can not be understood without the oral tradition. The Only Testament and the Oral portion to understand the written both came down from Mr. Sinai
    (Deut. 6:, “You shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be for a reminder between your eyes.”

    There are things like Deuteronomy 6:8. With out the Oral tradition you don't understand what this means.

    The Talmud was written down after the destruction of the second Temple. Why? Well there were these pagan religions that claimed to be from Judaism. Christianity and Islam. Christians claim to have taken the Blessings from Jews. Islam claims to have taken over for Christianity. So the Rabbi's or the Teachers of the Torah and the Oral traditions got together and wrote it down so it would not be lost....

    So the Talmud was put in writing long after Christ. Again so many falsehoods about what is and isn't. Why do these folks all claim to have taken over for the Jews Yes it is a wonder. Christianity attempts to rewrite the Only Testament Of course this is to prove they have taken over for the Jews. Yet they can't even grasp what was written in the Only Testament and they vehemently deny any Oral traditions.

    Paul was a Pharisee So supposedly he knows everything. Well that just goes to shoe that you don't know what a Pharisee was. Just like Christianity the denied the oral Traditions. The Sages where the ones who kept both the written and oral Torah. Attempting to claim that a Pharmacies is the end all be all is a phalacie Just goes to show how ignorant those who say that truly are.

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    Finris, you're almost a hopeless cause, my friend and brother , but I'm still gonna pray for anyway.
    Last edited by beowulf; 02-24-2021 at 03:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf View Post
    Finris, you're almost a hopeless cause, my friend and brother , but I'm still gonna pray for anyway.
    I'll pray for Finris too , and hopeless is not in God's vocabulary. I still like the idea of all of us getting together for a beer. Plenty of topics we can talk about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambam View Post
    I'll pray for Finris too , and hopeless is not in God's vocabulary. I still like the idea of all of us getting together for a beer. Plenty of topics we can talk about.
    I enjoy the argument. I also enjoy giving hard Truths. A get together for beer, coffee, tea. I would enjoy greatly. Yes plenty of topics to talk about and argue over. Inteligent conversations with a good well thought out arguement is worth its weight in gold.

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