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Thread: VA Dems Threaten To Use National Guard Against Sanctuary Counties

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    spot on Illini
    this would be opening Pandora's box
    but I fear it might actually happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by explo72 View Post
    spot on Illini
    this would be opening Pandora's box
    but I fear it might actually happen
    I think so as well. And the reason I think there will be such a huge response from outside the state of Virginia is that we the people know, all too well, that if they pull this off it will embolden other state governments, with the same type thinking to try to do the same. This has to be headed off at the pass or it could conceivably do irreparable damage to this nation. Someone is going to see and raise the pot, and we'll find out just WHO really knows how to play poker. The jury is still out, so to speak, on which way it will go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by explo72 View Post
    spot on Illini
    this would be opening Pandora's box
    but I fear it might actually happen

    what is going on is liberal desperation to the max >>>> nothing but nothing has been possible on a national level - plenty of reverses - only thing they can do is push the agenda on a state level ...

    I wouldn't rule out VA or any other others like CA or even NY trying some dumbazz Fake News crap >>> make some raids on the prominent anti-gun people and try scaring people into complying ...

    they have liberal mentalities and believe they are dealing with fellow sheeple with compliance when forced - I don't think most actually totally understand what they are dealing with ....

    and then there's the FED factor - I don't see VA getting away with calling up the NG for anything like a door-to-door confiscation - not sure what avenue would be taken to stop it ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    what is going on is liberal desperation to the max >>>> nothing but nothing has been possible on a national level - plenty of reverses - only thing they can do is push the agenda on a state level ...

    I wouldn't rule out VA or any other others like CA or even NY trying some dumbazz Fake News crap >>> make some raids on the prominent anti-gun people and try scaring people into complying ...

    they have liberal mentalities and believe they are dealing with fellow sheeple with compliance when forced - I don't think most actually totally understand what they are dealing with ....

    and then there's the FED factor - I don't see VA getting away with calling up the NG for anything like a door-to-door confiscation - not sure what avenue would be taken to stop it ....
    Each state's NG does "belong" to the Governor, unless federalized by the President/Congress in the event of a National Emergency or activated during war time. I can see the President doing so , in such an event as this, simply to place them under his command and prevent them from being so used by the Governor. I've been retired from active duty for a bit more than thirty two years, and someone posted sometime back that there had been some changes to how the Posse Comitatus act applied, but when I was in none of the military could be used to enforce civilian law. So, I'm not sure the Governor could lawfully employ the NG in this capacity. Maybe some of you who have more recently ETSed or retired from the Armed Forces could maybe enlighten me on this. And I can pretty much agree with you, IW, in your analysis here. And I CERTAINLY don't see the President sending in active duty to this purpose. That's completely and entirely outside the parameters of their duties, responsibilities and purpose. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see just how far those idiots in Richmond want to try to go with this. If they try to go through with it as they threaten, I think they're going to find themselves backed up against a wall facing a firing squad, either figuratively or maybe even literally. I most fervently hope and pray it doesn't come to violence and bloodshed. Our Country certainly doesn't need that! However, since I am drawing retired pay, and still subject to the UCMJ, my oath to defend the constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, is still binding upon me. And that oath is to the constitution, NOT the President, Congress, Supreme Court, any Governor, or ANY person. I do believe in supporting a Governor's or the President's policies...as long as they are lawful and in concert with the Constitution. THAT determination is for the Supreme Court and Congress. I would hope that they would do they proper duties to that end. But anymore, I DO have some reservations as to whether they will. And it troubles me to feel I have to say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf View Post
    Each state's NG does "belong: to the Governor, unless federalized by the President/Congress in the event of a National Emergency or activated during war time. I can see the President doing so , in such an event as this, simply to place them under his command and prevent them from being so used by the Governor. I've been retired from active duty for a bit more than thirty two years, and someone posted sometime back that there had been some changes to how the Posse Comitatus act applied, but when I was in none of the military could be used to enforce civilian law. So, I'm not sure the Governor could lawfully employ the NG in this capacity. Maybe some of you who have more recently ETSed or retired from the Armed Forces could maybe enlighten me on this. And I can pretty much agree with you, IW, in your analysis here. And I CERTAINLY don't see the President sending in active duty to this purpose. That's completely and entirely outside the parameters of their duties, responsibilities and purpose. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see just how far those idiots in Richmond want to try to go with this. If they try to go through with it as they threaten, I think they're going to find themselves backed up against a wall facing a firing squad, either figuratively or maybe even literally. I most fervently hop and prey it doesn't come to violence and bloodshed. Our Country certainly doesn't need that! However, since I am drawing retired pay, and still subject to the UCMJ, my oath to defend the constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, is still binding upon me. And that oath is to the constitution, NOT the President, Congress, Supreme Court, any Governor, or ANY person.
    by Constitution the individual states have their national guards - but absolutely everything involved comes by way of the FED - and I can see the State NG Commander looking for a Pentagon solution - that could be the first step and if worse came to worse nationalizing them ...

    any governor would have difficulty justifying "emergency powers" or any urgency involved - there's none of usual qualifiers there that come with calling out the Guard >>> a court injunction could tie up the mess until the next election ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    by Constitution the individual states have their national guards - but absolutely everything involved comes by way of the FED - and I can see the State NG Commander looking for a Pentagon solution - that could be the first step and if worse came to worse nationalizing them ...
    Yeah, that's kind of my thinking too. But, as I stated, we'll have to wait and see. We do, indeed, live in some interesting and perilous time.

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    i agree that the national guard is not a high likelihood.
    any more than that idiot Stillwell being able to use nuclear weapons against US gun owners (https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/16/s...-owners-nukes/)
    but does prove that old adage "inside every socialist there is a tyrant screaming to get out"

    what I see happening is like what happened in CA,NY, CT, CO and other states.
    laws get passed and pretty much ignored, very little or no active enforcement.
    hopefully it ends there, but I doubt it.

    first tyrant hammer would be to try and withhold state $ from counties / sheriffs that resist - probably a few would cave.

    then use of State Highway Patrol (under control of the governor) to try and supersede / control / oust the local sheriff - that seems to be the tripwire to me.
    there would likely be lots of early retirements & outright resignations by those in the highway patrol that are constitutional /2A loving.
    but there would be some young bucks looking to make a name for themselves that would love the opportunity to kick down some doors.
    sooner or later those door kickers will run into the wrong guy or even a staged and deliberate ambush (swatting in reverse so to speak)

    that would be another big inflection point.
    that kind of defiance with LEO bloodshed usually sparks an escalation of force by the tyrants.
    think David Koresh / Waco and Clinton / Reno

    then things will really unwind, no getting the toothpaste back in the tube then.
    once the resistance gets pushed to that point it would be open season on the tyrants.

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    Thing about County Sheriffs, they are not appointed by the Governor, County Commission or anyone else. They are elected officials, elected by the people. Yes, they are Law Enforcement Officials and are duty bound to enforce the law...as long as the law is constitutional and lawful. If a Governor, or President, could just sign into law any bill that satisfied their personal beliefs, and desires, no matter the harm to the public, we wouldn't have a very ordered and peaceful society. We'd have a bunch of little warlords ruling over a society living under oppression and in fear that if they sneezed at the wrong time, in the wrong place, or too loudly they'd be arrested, hanged or drawn and quartered, or such. Again, its one of the the duties of the courts, State Supreme courts, SCOTUS and appeals courts to review and determine whether a law passes the smell test and should remain in force. How often, and how well do they do their proper duties? Well, that's sort of up in the air for debate. Problem is, we have to abide by a law, good or bad, the best we can, until it can be repealed, and that can be a long drawn out process. But when the oppression becomes more than people can reasonably bare, we must look back to the Declaration of Independence; that portion that says something to the effect that when such conditions come to fore, it is the duty, the responsibility of the people to remove that government and put in its place one that does the will of the people. I believe that is one of the differences between a Republic and a Democracy. Again, the ramblings of an old man who doesn't know nearly as much as he wishes he did. I've just always believed that things are either black or white; there is no gray. Something is either wrong or right. Its like being a little bit pregnant.. There is no such thing. Either you is or you isn't.
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    nope. being a vet i can definety say most of the guys i know, knew or served with would say hell no. they might get 10% of the ng to say ok.

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    I seem to recall another war the Dems started. Dang.....can't put my finger on it.
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