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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Eagle View Post
    Caller to the local show told a funny.

    "Imagine if these states go through all this crap, and Trump wins by a landslide, ala Reagan in 1984. Those poor states would have their hands tied by their own law."
    Now THAT would be poetic justice! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by GR82BPREPD View Post
    The Peoples State of Washington, The Democratic Republic of Oregon, and The Communist California Democratic Republic all allow illegal aliens to have driver's licenses. They also have "motor voter" laws which automatically register anyone with a driver's license to vote. I have a real problem with this both at the state level and especially at the federal level.
    Heard on the local news Thursday or Friday that California is trying to sign up illegals to vote. No attempt to hide it any more as far as I can tell. On the one hand, I don't see what it accomplishes....CA already votes 2/3 democrat and has a 2/3 lock on the State Houses....so what do they gain? Except maybe to set a precedent for other states (like Texas or Arizona) to do the same....?

    At some point (i'm thinking), Trump will have to challenge this, as it is clearly unconstitutional. It would take the expected route: Federal Judge rules in favor of Trump - 9th Circus overturns - SCOTUS.

    At any rate, this can't go on much longer....

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    Certain states are trying to circumvent the intent of the Framers in the Electoral College.
    Obviously that is exactly what they are doing and while it should be unconstitutional doesn't mean that it is so. It will be up to the Supreme Court to decide.
    I admit I am very concerned about the 2020 election. I think we all know that there will likely be millions of illegal votes. Every illegal alien and every dead person will be voting. The hard left will be working long before the election to get those they trust into the local election process. Remember the old saying - "he who counts the votes determines the winner" or something similar.
    I will be surprised if any Republicans win anything. I hope I am wrong.
    I bet just today another ten thousand voters came across our southern border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    Obviously that is exactly what they are doing and while it should be unconstitutional doesn't mean that it is so. It will be up to the Supreme Court to decide.
    I admit I am very concerned about the 2020 election. I think we all know that there will likely be millions of illegal votes. Every illegal alien and every dead person will be voting. The hard left will be working long before the election to get those they trust into the local election process. Remember the old saying - "he who counts the votes determines the winner" or something similar.
    I will be surprised if any Republicans win anything. I hope I am wrong.
    I bet just today another ten thousand voters came across our southern border.
    That is my concern also hiwall, you hit the nail on the head. Just because the electoral college is in the constitution, does not guarantee it is locked in stone. Does the constitution specifically state that the electoral votes CANNOT be given to the popular vote winner. I think not. with the state of courts today, and I don't trust Justice Roberts as far as I can kick his ass, we could be one court case away
    from losing our constitution forever.

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    Not that my opinion matters, but I think this compact is a violation of Article IV, section 4 of the Constitution...
    Good medicine in bad places

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    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf View Post
    (Heh, heh) Yeah, well, as a Non Com I seldom had the "luxury" of tippy-toeing through the tulips. I learned the direct approach was the most effective when there was work to be done, and that philosophy just seems to have stuck with me. No regrets. You might say that George Patton was sort of my mentor. I greatly admire General Patton and his methods. If there's a problem...FIX IT...then get on with the tasks at hand. I once took a survey to see which famous military leaders I compared with. The result was I was in the same company as men like George Patton, Erwin Rommel, William T. Sherman, Robert E. Lee, U.S. Grant and a couple others. All men I hold in high esteem. Some in the South still get their feathers ruffled when you mention Bill Sherman and his march through Atlanta. I'm a Southerner, born and raised, but as a professional military man I fully understand and realize that General Sherman was simply doing his job...to destroy the enemy's will and ability to fight. No more, no less. That sometimes requires some extremely drastic measures, and no leader enjoys it. I could probably offer a lengthy lecture on the "conduct of war", but I won't. Not only would it take too long, it would also bore the crap out of too many folks. (Chuckle)
    LOL LOL LOL...Olde Timer....your never going to have to explain that to me. My Father was a USAF.. E9..retired...coming up through the ranks from the Olde Army Air Corps..when they made the transition....from Army Air Corps to the United States Air Force.

    Also I am a Machinist in a well known shipyard...lots of salty Olde Timers to be still found here. Lots of retired military too.

    There is a lot to be said for Salt...if one knows.

    Thing that pisses me off today is that someone is trying to replace Salt with sugar....to make us ripe for the plucking/herding by Ishmaelites. Not for me thanks,


    But ....some of the other members and or guests may not know the why of your character..but I am certain many appreciate it.


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    Been thinking and or musing on this topic of the Electoral College and also I remember the radical leftist/atheist we had in our crew for awhile. He had all the markings of a television and or movie educated American raised on a steady diet of emotional instant gratification.

    One if his main peeves about the American system of electing a President was the Electoral College. He believe staunchly that it was not fair and that the President should be elected by popular vote.

    I don't believe this leftist and his instant gratification religious beliefs have ever steered him to know ...much less read ..."The Federalist Papers.'

    In the Federalist Papers we find much more detailed explanations of why the Constitution was written in the manner it was.

    If I recall the history correctly ...The Federalist Papers...was also a method used by the Founders to sell the Constitution under Vote to the various colonies for their approval.

    Nonetheless ...in The Federalist Papers there is an explanation for why the Electoral College is set up in the manner it is.


    Though it has been awhile...I believe from time to time in Supreme Court cases...The Federalist Papers are referred and or cited as part of their decision making process as to Constitutionality or not Constitutional.




    I am surmising that many who want to switch our system to Popular Vote today have never read The Federalist Papers and like our one time resident Atheist/instant gratification/leftist co worker...would not believe it and also deny the same....for their instant gratification beliefs....win at any cost....any cost!!!


    I referred to this member of our crew as an Ishmaelite one day....he had no clue as to what I was referring...and had no clue about Ishmael and Isaac.
    A bit ironic to me because the well educated Atheists of which I am familiar often know the Bible better than most Christians. Ought not to be this way but all too often it is.
    But what I found out is that they cannot handle Salt.




    Here.....from The Federalist Papers.


    http://www.electoralcollegehistory.c...deralist68.asp


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    Where am I wrong here:

    The number of electors each state has in the electoral college is the total of the number of Senators (always 2) and the number of Representatives in the House (determined by population)

    The population of the state to determine the number of Representatives is determined by the census, done every 10 years, next one should be out at the end of 2020.

    So, if all of Mexico were to move to California in January 2020 and vote for Biden in Feb, California would still have the same number of electors as it had in 2010. So all this immigrant vote crap won't do a heck of a lot in the 2020 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winni View Post
    Where am I wrong here:

    The number of electors each state has in the electoral college is the total of the number of Senators (always 2) and the number of Representatives in the House (determined by population)

    The population of the state to determine the number of Representatives is determined by the census, done every 10 years, next one should be out at the end of 2020.

    So, if all of Mexico were to move to California in January 2020 and vote for Biden in Feb, California would still have the same number of electors as it had in 2010. So all this immigrant vote crap won't do a heck of a lot in the 2020 election.
    They're planning ahead for beyond 2020.....we can't let it happen, states like Cali would have 100+ electoral votes....

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    Its been a good while since I read the Constitution all the way through, which I intend to remedy during the next few days. However, was just this morning looking through it on matters of voting, and in every instance it says the rights of CITIZENS, (NOT residents) to vote... The only place I could find where the wording differed, is in Article 1, Section 1 where it says "The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by THE PEOPLE OF THE SEVERAL STATES." Don't know about y'all, but this clearly implies to me if one is not a CITIZEN, they shall not, and will not be permitted to vote in our elections. And the way it is worded I see no "wiggle room" for any judge on any court at any level to interpret it otherwise. Seems to me that probably all our states legislators need to spend some time in remedial study of the U. S. Constitution...most especially the Communistcrats. I don't know, but I can somewhat see a time coming when our country will b divided into two separate countries...conservative and liberal/socialist/communist. The same way West Virginia broke away from Virginia and became a separate state unto itself. And one doesn't have to be a "scholar" to be able to read and understand the Constitution. This information comes from four specific places that I found: Article 1, section 1; Amendment XIX; Amendment XXIV and Amendment XXVI. Now I haven't given the full wording of each instance I've provided (Y'all can read that for yourselves). I merely intended to show that they state specifically CITIZEN, not RESIDENT. So, any state that wants to have illegals voting...STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE!!!!!
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