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    This is a very good article on WW3 and China....What do you gentlemen think?

    https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-...KEAmeSz-x8HEZ0

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    Quote Originally Posted by finris View Post
    This is a very good article on WW3 and China....What do you gentlemen think?

    https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-...KEAmeSz-x8HEZ0

    give China time to get their carrier part of the navy ready and they'll be going hot >>>> they can't go much further than their own backyard right now - give the troop carriers air cover and it'll be an ant army moving south gobbling up country after country ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    give China time to get their carrier part of the navy ready and they'll be going hot >>>> they can't go much further than their own backyard right now - give the troop carriers air cover and it'll be an ant army moving south gobbling up country after country ...
    I have had these thoughts for a while. I also thought that the Chinese have how many container ships. How many infantry and support can one hold... I could see some of our ports easily and holding them... Until U.S. could counter attack. I know darn good and well that the National Guard armories are empty. U.S. left tons of stuff for our "allies" in the ME. Yet, seems like lots of this equipment found its way to ISIS and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finris View Post
    I have had these thoughts for a while. I also thought that the Chinese have how many container ships. How many infantry and support can one hold... I could see some of our ports easily and holding them... Until U.S. could counter attack. I know darn good and well that the National Guard armories are empty. U.S. left tons of stuff for our "allies" in the ME. Yet, seems like lots of this equipment found its way to ISIS and others.
    True enough...we shipped tons and tons and tons of gear over there to staging points for the next conflict...on many of our roll on roll offs...Ro Ro's. I figured this out reading certain articles in Maritime Reporter Magazine...concerning Roll on Roll offs and Saudi ports of call as well as other nations frequented by our Navy in the ME.

    Chinese container ships...Wow!!! A Chinese Aircraft Carrier....Wow!!!! Yes..they need to get their carrier ready as well as their tactics and strategy to use the same.

    Some of you need to think this through much better....much much better.


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    Thing that bothers me is that during WWII we had the raw materials AND the manufacturing HERE AT HOME to meet the requirements...plus the American Spirit. Today, we may still have plenty of raw materials, but we've come to depend on far too many "SOMEPLACES ELSE" for the manufacturing and production. I'm not sure we could turn it around here at home with sufficient rapidity to meet such an emergency now. Don't know about the rest of you, but I see this as one of the major things that could really bite us in the ass real hard. Plus the attitude today of far, far too many "Americans" who have a weak kneed, bleeding heart "why can't we all just get along" attitude. Worthless POS wouldn't even fight for their wives/husbands and children. They'd see their families slaughtered before they'd raise a finger!
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    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf View Post
    Thing that bothers me is that during WWII we had the raw materials AND the manufacturing HERE AT HOME to meet the requirements...plus the American Spirit. Today, we may still have plenty of raw materials, but we've come to depend on far too many "SOMEPLACES ELSE" for the manufacturing and production. I'm not sure we could turn it around here at home with sufficient rapidity to meet such an emergency now. Don't know about the rest of you, but I see this as one of the major things that could really bite us in the ass real hard. Plus the attitude today of far, far too many "Americans" who have a weak kneed, bleeding heart "why can't we all just get along" attitude. Worthless POS wouldn't even fight for their wives/husbands and children. They'd see their families slaughtered before they'd raise a finger!
    This is why we love Trump. The "AGAIN" in MAGA should be capitalized, what happened to our steel production capital of the world, our factories, how many liberty ships per week did we turn out? .... on and on.

    Great points Beo !

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    I don't think many of you have any idea how vulnerable a surface ship is to a submarine..a single submarine....much less ten or twelve of them.



    I also do not think most of you know....that our interceptor aircraft often do radar intercepts of airliners right here in America.....and the whole attack sequence done by radar....including "Lock on" or radar lock fed to the weapon seeker head. This daily somewhere...and the plane never knows it was painted.

    Gives you the warm fuzzies about getting on an airliner doesn't it??

    Do you for one minute think we do not have a submarine somewhere doing a sonar lock on a surface ship somewhere out there as a training run...daily with the targeting data fed to a torpedo seeker head.

    This could be a ocean liner, a freighter, a container ship...or something else.

    Not only do we do this but most air forces and also navys so equipped.

    It is something never advertised to the general public...living behind their steering wheels and remote controllers and movies.


    Some of you might want to rethink this stuff through again about China.

    I don't think most of you have any idea how vulnerable a surface ship is to todays modern first class submarines.


    My worry is our leadership. I never believed Obama had the right pair hanging to take the gloves off if need be.


    I do not have this kind of reservation with our current President.


    You folks don't have to buy into this .....make up your own mind.

    I've talked to enough sailors and airmen to have this confirmed to me.

    I've also worked out in the alert barns wherein they keep these interceptors on ready status 24/7 and with white ones on the rails...not blue.


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    This type training is good...to a point. As you indicated, Tom, one slight mistake could result in some dire consequence...great loss of life, property and goods. Did you ever se the movie, The Bedford Incident with Richard Widmark and Sidney Portier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by finris View Post
    I have had these thoughts for a while. I also thought that the Chinese have how many container ships. How many infantry and support can one hold... I could see some of our ports easily and holding them... Until U.S. could counter attack. I know darn good and well that the National Guard armories are empty. U.S. left tons of stuff for our "allies" in the ME. Yet, seems like lots of this equipment found its way to ISIS and others.

    China's commercial fleet doesn't even figure in - they have the world's largest dedicated troop carrier fleet - can put a sizable part of their frontline invasion troops on the water at one time ...

    start adding in the converted cargo carriers as more troop carriers and/or aircraft carriers >>> they can invade Vietnam or assist North Korea - take out Taiwan anytime when the ball rolls their way ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf View Post
    This type training is good...to a point. As you indicated, Tom, one slight mistake could result in some dire consequence...great loss of life, property and goods. Did you ever se the movie, The Bedford Incident with Richard Widmark and Sidney Portier?
    Aircraft under training ...will carry blue ones on the rails...these are dummy missiles....with real seekers on the business end of them... no rocket propellant and no warhead. The information gathered by radar lock will be fed into the seeker head and a simulated mission run....and recorded by computer...of what the radar/infra red sees and locks on...right down to the missile impact/launch....simulated.

    When you have a real weapons load out from an Alert barn...they will be white ones on the rails....and there will be no training runs done with this load out....because your load out is hot.
    You do your job and return...no stunt flying and no hot dogging. Strict discipline is observed here.

    But yes...accidents do happen...it is the nature of the business...and also the reason for training...training ...training and more training.


    In the day of the Soviets....Iceland was one of the most active air intercept areas in the North Atlantic. Long range Soviet aircraft often came down the slot from Murmansk going to Cuba...and on ether side of Iceland. Units at Keflavik, wherein I was stationed, would pick them up and escort as far as they could...until they came into range of stateside bases....and these intercepts would be handed off..to others.

    As I recall there was an outfit up at Loring, Maine with all weather interceptors...and then they were handed off to units here at Langley AFB, up the road from me, and then down to Holmstead..or Tyndal in Florida or some other Southern base.....down there....all of these aircraft from these alert barns were loaded for Bear...literally and figuratively. It was the nature of the business.

    The other very active air intercept arena for the Soviets and their long range aircraft was on the other side of the world in Alaska. Same protocol....they too carried white ones...no hot dogging ...strictly business.

    The average American had no idea how often this happened..training runs or active intercepts....so safe were they in their ignorance ..behind their phones..steering wheels... and remote controllers.


    So when I hear stories breaking in the news of the Russians flying close to England or some such ..I bust out laughing.

    Same thing with this Russian Collusion stuff/nonsense going on and taking up entirely too much space in the news....to scare and intimidate Americans into not thinking...but emoting and being herded for political purposes. Good cop/bad cop.


    Nonetheless..I stand by what I said about submarines...and the vulnerability of surface ships...including aircraft carriers, destroyers or any other surface ship should we ever have a leader with a pair hanging sufficient to take off the gloves if events so necessitate. Most of these surface ship sailors, military and civilian both, have not a clue as to how vulnerable they are ......should we ever slip the leash on our submarine fleets.
    Let us pray we never have to so do.

    Oh...and the Russians ...even today..base their Atlantic submarine fleet out of Polyarny...just around the corner from Murmansk. This is an interesting place to view from Google Earth....

    But to get into the Atlantic ....their boats often had to transit on either side of Iceland. Iceland also became an excellent place for the Navy to assign submarine hunting aircraft...and many NATO nations and their submarine hunting aircraft would stop there to gas up, check their oil, and clean their windshields so to speak. Again the nature of the business.


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