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    DO NOT underestimate the ability of Facebook to destroy any OPSEC you think you might have.
    Their algorithms are incredible and the pool of data they pull from is immense.
    They can do matches you have never thought possible.
    This is why I have never been on facebook

    Here's a good example:

    Leila has two identities, but Facebook is only supposed to know about one of them.

    Leila is a sex worker. She goes to great lengths to keep separate identities for ordinary life and for sex work, to avoid stigma, arrest, professional blowback, or clients who might be stalkers (or worse).

    Her “real identity”—the public one, who lives in California, uses an academic email address, and posts about politics—joined Facebook in 2011. Her sex-work identity is not on the social network at all; for it, she uses a different email address, a different phone number, and a different name. Yet earlier this year, looking at Facebook’s “People You May Know” recommendations, Leila (a name I’m using using in place of either of the names she uses) was shocked to see some of her regular sex-work clients.

    Despite the fact that she’d only given Facebook information from her vanilla identity, the company had somehow discerned her real-world connection to these people—and, even more horrifyingly, her account was potentially being presented to them as a friend suggestion too, outing her regular identity to them.

    Because Facebook insists on concealing the methods and data it uses to link one user to another, Leila is not able to find out how the network exposed her or take steps to prevent it from happening again

    “It’s not just sex workers who are careful to shield their identities,” she said to me via Skype. “The people who hire sex workers are also very concerned with anonymity so they’re using alternative emails and alternative names. And sometimes they have phones that they only use for this, for hiring women. You have two ends of people using heightened security, because neither end wants their identity being revealed. And they’re having their real names connected on Facebook.”

    When Leila queried secret support groups for sex workers, others said it had happened to them too.

    “The worst nightmare of sex workers is to have your real name out there, and Facebook connecting people like this is the harbinger of that nightmare,” she said. “With all the precautions we take and the different phone numbers we use, why the **** are they showing up? How is this happening?”

    It’s not a question that Facebook is willing to answer. The company is not forthcoming about how “People You May Know,” known internally as PYMK, makes its recommendations. Most of what Facebook does reveal about the feature is on a help page, which says that the suggestions “come from things like” mutual friends, shared networks or groups, or “contacts you’ve uploaded.”

    When the suggestions turn out to be unnerving, that explanation is both vague and woefully incomplete. A Facebook spokesman told me this summer that there are more than 100 signals that go into PYMK. All someone like Leila—who was not connected to her clients by anything like mutual friends, networks, groups, or contacts—can know is that the data that exposed her must be something else, in that large undefined set of factors.

    Leila suspects either that Facebook collected contact information from other apps on her phone or that it used location information, noticing that her and her clients’ smartphones were in the same place at the same time.

    “We do not use information from third party apps to show friend suggestions in People You May Know,” a Facebook spokesperson wrote via email. Facebook has said before that it doesn’t use location information for People You May Know, and the spokesperson confirmed that policy: “People You May Know suggestions are not informed by your smartphone’s Location Services.”

    So the linkage between Leila and her clients remains a mystery. While the algorithmic black box that is PYMK is simply creepy to most of us, the intrusive network analysis can have serious consequences for people in the sex work and porn industry. One sex toy reviewer devoted a section of her digital security advice to the feature, her cleverest suggestion being to choose a profile photo that doesn’t show your face.

    “People think because you have sex on camera, privacy isn’t a big deal for you,” said Mike Stabile, spokesperson for the Free Speech Coalition, a California-based advocacy group for adult performers. “But in this industry, privacy is so important. Performers worry about stalkers on a daily basis.”

    Stabile says concerns about People You May Know also go the other way, when people’s accounts for their sex work persona are recommended to people they know in their real, vanilla lives like relatives and friends.

    That’s what Ela Darling worries about. Darling, who manages virtual reality adult broadcasting at CAM4, has been working in pornography for eight years, but her family members don’t know that

    “I don’t want my 15-year-old cousin to discover I’m a porn star because my account gets recommended to them on Facebook,” Darling told me by phone.

    To combat this, she searches Facebook every few weeks for the last names of her family and extended family to see if any of her relatives have joined the network or created a new account. If they have, she blocks them.

    Darling used to have a second, private account under her legal name for connecting with people she knew in her normal, vanilla life, but it was getting recommended to her fans, revealing her “real” identity to them. Some of them began harassing her and trying to track down her family.

    “We’re living in an age where you can weaponize personal information against people,” Darling said. She’s not sure how Facebook linked her porn identity to her legal identity, but it meant one had to go. She deleted her private account a few years ago, leaving only her public, porn one.

    “Facebook isn’t a luxury,” Darling said. “It’s a utility in our lives. For something that big to be so secretive and powerful in how it accumulates your information is unnerving.”

    The outing problem is, like Facebook’s ongoing fake-news scandals, a result of the company’s growth-above-all strategy: First round up as many users as possible, then start cleaning up (or not) the side effects of operating at that scale. People You May Know may be incidental to an individual user’s experience, but it extends the reach and density of the network.
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    I am convinced that Facebook and twitter and or other social sites are intelligence gathering apparatus for government agencies. This way they can make a dossier on every American who checks into and joins such an site.

    I suspected this from the early days of My Space and made an understanding never to join one of them.


    I also believe they monitor sites such as this one and others similar to catalogue the information and membership but in particular ..the social sites.

    Again this boils down to trust.

    It is a matter of how to "herd " the people...by cataloguing them...classifying them.


    Remember what I keep saying here and to some it sounds weird...even paranoid....unbalanced. But when you see and detect the patterns of things...the concept of a "Deep State " which sees the people as competition ..not as Citizens....you begin to think outside the box a bit more.

    More and more for thinkers ...our laws and regulations have clearly been for the purpose of limiting our choices..our options and thus our freedoms and liberties. Thus we are "Herded" in a direction someone desires for us to go.

    Think it through....

    No trust with a gun and ammo...no trust with a vote.

    No trust with your own children

    No trust with your religious beliefs...

    No trust with your own monies

    No trust with your thoughts or non regulated knowledges...beliefs..including your religion but in particular how this is going to affect your politic and thus your vote.

    NO trust with your own property.


    And I am sure the members here can add to this list.

    Twitter..to me is nothing but a facilitation for monitoring and thus eventually more "Herding." AKA....George Orwell...was not his treatise ...1984??


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    Here's a quick little fact for you all .... The top 3 largest supporters/Donators to the Leftards are as follows.

    #1- Facebook
    #2- Time Warner Cable
    #3- Disney


    So you do the math on their agenda's! Lol
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    I will admit that I have a book of faces account. I keep up with a lot of my family on it. But I also know that one does not have to dig too deep to find my real name that is associated with my username here. This is why I do not talk about, I don't post pictures of, and I don't even talk out loud to myself about some things that I don't want to be known. In this digital age we live in, there are very few secrets. Those secrets that are out there must remain consciously kept a secret and not talked about at any time.

    There have been a couple of times when I have discussed sensitive things with certain family, but when I do, there are not ANY electronic devices in the room and I have white noise going to drown out any whispers. OPSEC can be had, but it is not an easy task.
    Prepare for the worst, hope for the best

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    FB has the same size data gathering network as Google, only they don't care about referencing ohms law, they look at forums, what people say on everything and put it together. If I could get my hands around that scrawny neck, body parts would be squirting out of each end (just kidding of course)

    Those I know on FB, know everything about everyone else - FB = busy body central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91CavGT View Post
    I will admit that I have a book of faces account. I keep up with a lot of my family on it. But I also know that one does not have to dig too deep to find my real name that is associated with my username here. This is why I do not talk about, I don't post pictures of, and I don't even talk out loud to myself about some things that I don't want to be known. In this digital age we live in, there are very few secrets. Those secrets that are out there must remain consciously kept a secret and not talked about at any time.

    There have been a couple of times when I have discussed sensitive things with certain family, but when I do, there are not ANY electronic devices in the room and I have white noise going to drown out any whispers. OPSEC can be had, but it is not an easy task.
    Same here... I too have had the unnerving experience of having proffessionally known contacts reccommended on a private social media account. I do not post photos of myself or make any personally identifying info available. I instantly block any suggested "friends" that I do not want intruding and all my posts there are set to "friends only". Friends is a very exclusive club, I recently got up to 30 and had to trim back a few... "sorry man, just pruning the hedge". I keep it intentionally very small and exclusively to people I know personally and blood relations... and even those are not an automatic "in", I have to have a reason for wanting to stay involved in their lives.

    Like fire, social media makes a good servant but a dangerous master. Keep on the right side of that at all times. Don't ever think that if the PTB really do wznt to know something, that it won't require some extraordinary measures to keep them from finding out.

    For instance they suspect Mr A of being a black market arms dealer. Now, in the olden days they might have put a stakeout on him or followed him or sat listening to a planted bug to get evidence and identify connections. That's clumsy and expensive in terms of manpower. It's hard to justify unless you already have solid grounds for suspicion and not just an educated hunch. But if the advanced data sifting engine produces hits from all the black box sysrems it is hooked into - who all has a card charge from Joe's Diner, with a license plate scan within 2 blocks of the place, 2nd thursday of the month every month, and both have a lot of traffic to online gun-related sites, one of which has ties to the dark web... it picks up the pattern and puts it together that Mr A has a suspect connection to Mr B. That plus whatever your educated hunch provided probably gets you a warrant for both which you otherwise would have had trouble convincing a judge to grant.

    You may say "but I am not doing anything illegal so why should this concern me?" The answer is because the definition of what is illegal is constantly changing and frequently includes conduct that is not, and by rights should not, be considered "wrong". But that data can live forever in the systems that collect it. Mull on that a bit. I yhink the implications speak for themselves.
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    Most people that are on facebook care nothing about anything other than facebook. And anyone with a smartphone and a facebook account ties their whole life in a neat package and hands it over to facebook and whoever is behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    Most people that are on facebook care nothing about anything other than facebook. And anyone with a smartphone and a facebook account ties their whole life in a neat package and hands it over to facebook and whoever is behind it.
    I was very slow to get a smartphone. They are so convenient and legitimately useful. Having said that, they are also a huge vulnerability for the unwary.
    In a crazy world, it's the crazy man who can get by - and it's about to get cray-cray up in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruss01 View Post
    I was very slow to get a smartphone. They are so convenient and legitimately useful. Having said that, they are also a huge vulnerability for the unwary.
    I too was in the same boat. I have not nor will I ever put the book of faces on my phone. I also tend to keep location services turned off. I know I can still be tracked, but why make it easy?
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    Facebook's "people you may know" builds both from social circles and from random people in your area with similar likes (which includes sites you visit while logged into Facebook, which is probably what got Leila). Learn to use incognito mode on your browser.

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