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    Default Good place to shoot a suspect

    I am new to the form and this might already be on here, but here goes. After the colorado shootings I started thinking, where would you shoot someone if they were dressed in full riot gear? I mean obviously the knees are a good target, and I know face shields arn't bullet proof, but where would be the best place to shoot when you are face to face with a person like in the movie theater in colorado?
    Any advice is good. This would also be useful in shtf because some people might actually have police gear they stole.
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    I have no experience with this type of stuff, but i think that a few variables to figure out. Like what type of weapon do you have? How close? ect? A Giant what if.
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    Start with a couple of shots to the chest, if all they are wearing is soft armor, that will at least hurt, if they don't do down go for the head, pretty standard transistion, chest, head.

    You may very well shoot an unarmored person in the chest a couple of times and they might not go down, handguns are not magic death rays and failure to stop must be the assumption, so chest, head, armor or not.

    That said, armor for the head is improving, both clear and opaque face shields that stop handgun calibers are available. (I am not encouraging you to get one, as it adds considerable weight) but be ready to encounter someone wearing one. If chest, head, doesn't work... you'll have to find the gaps yourself... as for me, I was moving towards an escape path as I was shooting them in the chest and head, so hopefully I am gone and leave it for someone with a rifle to figure out.

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    Thanks. I was kinda leaning towards that already. Thought there might be something else.
    Is there a company that makes something for neck protection?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillbilly87 View Post
    Thanks. I was kinda leaning towards that already. Thought there might be something else.
    Is there a company that makes something for neck protection?
    There is protection available for just about everywhere, neck, groin, head, face, legs (which the colorado suspect was supposedly wearing according to some reports) You can get rifle plates for the forearms, sides, front, back. You can soft armor pretty much head to toe. You'll probably cook yourself trying to wear it all, or roll your own ankle... but its out there.

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    I will clarify that I am not advocating the use of any of these techniques on anyone other than armored assailants. Most will only use a chest rig. Be prepared for a combination of plate/soft/trauma pads, it offers the greatest shock absorption. That's what a lot of our guys run. We're trained to draw and shoot the thighs, its the closest large area to aim for from holster, then transition to head shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwconnertx View Post
    There is protection available for just about everywhere, neck, groin, head, face, legs (which the colorado suspect was supposedly wearing according to some reports) You can get rifle plates for the forearms, sides, front, back. You can soft armor pretty much head to toe. You'll probably cook yourself trying to wear it all, or roll your own ankle... but its out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska View Post
    Not if your a mall ninja..........................
    Well a lot of them around here think it's like Hollywood. I'll just hit him in the kneecap or maybe shoot the gun out of his hand. If you could have seen the guy in the dark through the smoke it wouldn't be like the range. You've got people running around and a moving target who is shooting back. And misconceptions regarding the mystical properties of body armor are abound. If I hit you it's going to hurt. If I hit you multiple times there's an increasing chance the armor will fail. There are a ton of variables involved.

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    Ok I thought the pelvic region all on my own, without looking at someone elses training... But thats because as a martial artist I know the hips are the center of balance and move less then the upper body. Had a convo with a City Police Officer in the Army Surplus Store (he was trying to impress the owner) and mentioned "criminals in body armor" like every gang banger is wearing a vest to...

    My response was this; then shoot him just above the groin, 1: its center of gravity for the body & 2: if the rounds rupture the bladder the toxin in the blood stream with cause shock within seconds (almost instantly). Besides trauma plates just cover the heart anyway right. So the Ron Collins Drill (I decided to copy right my idea) is 2 to the low abdomine/hip region & 1 to the head. Basicly just blow his balls off...
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    Massad Ayoob recommends the following if you suspect armor:

    Two or three to the body. As stated, might not stop him, but will get his attention for a moment so you can........

    Fire two or three shots to the pelvic region. Easier to hit than the head (small, fast moving) and when the hips are broken, Hulk Hogan will hit the ground. Now you can shoot to the head if Mr Dirtbag has not seen the error of his ways.

    Yeah, I'm sure all the guys scrunched their nuts at that last recommendation.
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