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    Questions about the alleged Iranian plot


    A number of Iran analysts are expressing doubt over the alleged plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the United States. Here are some excerpts:

    Former CIA operative Bob Baer expressed his skepticism about the allegation that Iran was behind the plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Robert Baer is a former Middle East CIA field officer and TIME.com's intelligence columnist. He is also the author of See No Evil, The Devil We Know and The Company We Keep. Here's what he had to say:

    "There are very few groups operationally better than Iranís Quds Force. They know what they are doing. The only proxies they use are ones theyíve vetted. They donít let their own citizens get involved. They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims. It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

    "So why were they all of a sudden so sloppy? Why would they take this risk now? Who cares about Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Ali Jaber, anyway? Heís not a royal. Heís probably not the main interlocutor between the United States and Saudi Arabia. Why not go for Saudi Prince Bandar in London? Many other targets would serve Iranian interests better."

    "Everybody is looking for evidence that there is going to be a confrontation with Iran. Everybody is jumping on this as a sign of conflict to come. But there are many questions here that need to be answered."

    Gary Sick is a senior research scholar at Columbia Universityís Middle East Institute and an adjunct professor at the School of International and Public Affairs. Sick served on the National Security Council under Presidents Ford, Carter and Reagan. He was the principal White House aide for Iran during the Iranian Revolution and the hostage crisis. In the following blog post, Gary Sick reiterates some of Baer's questions:

    "I find this alleged Iranian plot very hard to believe. In fact, this plot, if true, departs from all known Iranian policies and procedures. To be sure, Iran has plenty of reasons to be angry at both the United States and Saudi Arabia. They attribute the recent wave of assassinations of physics professors and students, as well as the intrusion of the Stuxnet worm, to the U.S. and Israel. And the king of Saudi Arabia is reliably reported to have called for the U.S. to bomb Iran."

    "Iran has reportedly been involved in past assassinations in Europe and bombings in Argentina and elsewhere. But the assassinations were of Iranian counter-revolutionaries in the 1980s, and the bombings were always carried out by trusted proxies ó normally a branch of Hezbollah. Iranís fingerprints were always concealed beneath one or more layers of disguise."

    "Iran has never conducted ó or apparently even attempted ó an assassination or a bombing inside the U.S. And it is difficult to believe that they would rely on a non-Islamic criminal gang to carry out this most sensitive of all possible missions. In this instance, they allegedly relied on at least one amateur and a Mexican criminal drug gang that is known to be riddled with both Mexican and U.S. intelligence agents."

    "Whatever else may be Iranís failings, they are not noted for utter disregard of the most basic intelligence tradecraft, e.g. discussing an ultra-covert operation on an open international line between Iran and the U.S. Yet that is what happened here. Perhaps this operation is just as it appears. But at a minimum both the public and the Congress should demand more detailed evidence before taking any rash or irreversible action. If Iran is really as stupid and as incompetent as this case implies, then perhaps they are their own worst enemy and not the clever and determined adversary that they are made out to be."

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    Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.
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    if this plot has been going on for months,, why was it just reported,,, as holder is being quizzed???? where's the prepster when you need him????
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    Thank you. Im already in DEP, leaving in October. The only thing that worries me about my rate is that it seems to have limited travel opportunities. But Ill take advantage of whichever ones do come my way.

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    Iran got caught red handed in the limpet mining of those tankers - not toooo freaking smart ....

    and the Jews don't seem to have any problems with the Iranian skullduggery they are constantly trying to pull ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illini Warrior View Post
    Iran got caught red handed in the limpet mining of those tankers - not toooo freaking smart ....

    and the Jews don't seem to have any problems with the Iranian skullduggery they are constantly trying to pull ....
    Israel is the only nation in actively combating Iran. Iranian weapons depots being destroyed in Iraq. Major assaults on Iranian weapons in the BEakal Valley in Lebanon and Syrian border area. Southeast of Damascus Iranian forces hit and capabilities being hit. The U.S. isn't doing it. Neither are the British. That pretty much leaves only one country to do it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by finris View Post
    Israel is the only nation in actively combating Iran. Iranian weapons depots being destroyed in Iraq. Major assaults on Iranian weapons in the BEakal Valley in Lebanon and Syrian border area. Southeast of Damascus Iranian forces hit and capabilities being hit. The U.S. isn't doing it. Neither are the British. That pretty much leaves only one country to do it....

    Isreal is really the only country that even has a halfway legit reason - Iran has openly declared war on Israel - and Israel plays 50-50 craps with going to war with Russia every time they strike ....

    if Iran goes too far and the US hits them in a retort - and Iran ups the ante >>>> Iran gets blotted off the map in both Syria & Iraq and elsewhere they have a nose into ....

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    Putin would not go after the Israelis when they strike. He can't afford to loose any planes. Planes being lost is an automatic drop in sales internationally. Also the reason you haven't seen the S-400 fire missiles at Israeli aircraft either. Russia has been getting troops and equipment hashed out for another jaunt into a former Soviet Republic.

    Iran has been back rolling Hezbollah, and other Shia Islamic groups for a very long time. Yes, Israel has a vested interest in doing the dirty deeds to keep them in check. What many fail to realize is most of the Gulf nations also have a vested interest in turning a "blind eye" to what Israel does. Most of the Gulf are Sunni Islam. The Sunni's and the Shia's hate each other.....Think Catholic and Protestant Northern Ireland. They agree on what 75-85% of everything and that little bit is worth killing each other over.....( I'm just guessing here I don't really know enough about Catholicism or Protestants to give a real number.)

    Israel sent explosive packed drones into Beirut neighborhood that is Just Hezbollah strong hold "shia" area, they were going for a targeted assassination on a high value target. Israel has hit places in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon. Israel has hit weapons convoys in the Sudan in the last 15 years. The U.S. has an administration that understands that it needs to be done. They just don't want to do all the heavy lifting. Everyone else in the Area wan't the U.S. to do everything for them....
    Reminds me of an old Joke about " The Saudis would fight to the last drop of Egyptian Blood".....When it comes time to man up and get it done they lack the motivation. Saudis were arming up the ISIS folks. Why they are both Sunni Islam and neither one wants Iran and Shia Islam to take over the entire area. This is also why the Gulf States after the First Gulf War wanted Saddam Hussian left in power in Iraq. Iraq was a counter Balance between the Gulf Sunni states and Iran's Shia groups. Now you know who is bank rolling the Yemmeni groups who oppose and attack Saudi Arabia....
    Last edited by finris; 08-28-2019 at 02:22 PM.

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