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    Everyone is rightfully concerned about gun-grabbers' attempts to impose registration, which then becomes a preamble to confiscation. A lot of folks have stated plain as day that "when the fedgov comes knocking, I'll shoot it out with them right there on the front porch" or words to that effect. I agree with that sentiment 100%, BTW.

    However, by and large most of the folks here are way smarter than the average government assclown. Let's have a discussion about how the government might go about trying to confiscate weapons from the general population and how they might be engaged in places other than alone on your front porch.

    Such an attempt to openly confiscate weapons may frankly be a problem too big for the government to solve. First of all, there are a LOT of LE and military folks that won't be a party to it. Sadly, some will and that's just a fact. But that alone is going to represent a huge problem.

    The way I see it, the first line of defense for all of us is refusal to register. If the government doesn't know who has them, they don't know which doors to knock down. Let's assume for the sake of discussion though that they do know and are coming.

    Resistance can take place on about three main levels, as I see it.

    1. Full blown revolution: the 'million man march' on DC, complete with guns and pitchforks. I see this as possible but probably the least likely response to a confiscation scenario, at least until a lot of blood had already been shed in other places.

    2. State refusal to comply: a stickier issue but one worthy of discussion. I think it is safe to say that the state governments in places like Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Texas, and some of the other states might well tell the FedGov to take a flying leap. Then we are technically out of the confiscation scenario and into something different.

    3. Community resistance: This is what needs to be discussed. How do we think local authorities might go about trying to enact a confiscation? Door to door? Would they use the police or the military, or both? How much advance warning would there be? Would the authorities move in convoys through neighborhoods or attempt to be more subtle? Should we respond purely defensively or begin taking preemptive action once a confiscation action begins?

    I think most of us would agree that the least favorable scenario is the one where JBT's shoot you in the doorway of your house after a short, sharp gunfight. It's like Ben Franklin once said: we must hang together or we will most assuredly hang separately.

    Discuss.

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    great post
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    great topic!

    im going to assume a likely scenario will involve state police with FED advisors and possible mil/ng backup to make it even plausible to sweep cities and large towns.

    and of course those (state,fed,ng) that dont comply are weeded out

    i could see the state PD doing the knocking, the feds supplying pertinent info case by case (like "this guy posts on www. "whatever" .com and is believed to have unregistered guns") or in general areas, and the NG locking down the town/area (operating road blocks and keeping people from fleeing etc...)

    logistically a nightmare? yeah probably, but i am kind of curious (academically, not just for prepping) how it would happen

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    One problem is the willingness of some to turn them in. Basically a variation of the old “better red than dead” line if thinking. I would be willing to bet that 80% of the gun owners would hand them over with little more than a whimper. For all of the bravado and chest thumping on the ‘net I suspect that most would comply.

    But I doubt that the government would risk even that. They will do it in bits and pieces. The gun owners of this country comprise one of the most fragmented groups you are likely to find. The Fudds make up a big percentage and (for the most part) couldn’t care less about my EBR’s and handguns. Many are outright contemptuous of them and would applaud the government for taking them. Shotguners don’t care about rifles and on and on. I firmly believe that this will be our downfall.

    Personally I don’t intend to turn them in nor do I intend to die at my front door in a pile of hot brass. Noble, perhaps, but pointless in my opinion. I would rather hide my good guns, turn in some junk that I don’t care about along with a receipt or two and live to fight another day. Will they believe my receipts? I doubt it. Will they tear up my home in an effort to find the guns? Probably. Will they find any? No! Anyone that has not made preparation for such a scenario might want to re-think their options. Playing along is a far better plan than to go out in a blaze of glory. Said ‘blaze of glory’ would either not make the evening news or you will be demonized as a terrorist and got what you deserved.

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    One way confiscations could be accomplished could be per sealed orders the same way the Knights Templar were disbanded. Sealed orders distributed throughout the country to be opened at a specific time on a specific day. The orders would have to include provisions for road blocks, warrant-less searches and confiscations, and rules of engagement for civil disobedience. Each set of orders would have to be location specific and include names and addresses of all those suspected or known to be in possession of firearms in that specific AO. This is the only way I could even possibly see this being done because if the general public caught any wind of confiscations, complete anarchy would sweep over the nation plunging us into revolution.

    Just my $0.02

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    I think the fed will neuter the American gun owner first with one piece of pissant legislation after another. When all the semi autos and hi capacity mags are gone (this is compromise) and the only thing left is your shotgun not many will put up much of a resistance. I would hope for the seccesion senario, then at least we few remaining God fearing patriots would have a new home to restart in.

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    60-80 million gun owners,financial investments that wont be recovered by them,many of these purchased before during and especially AFTER the election...I dont think most would just turn them in.I do believe however,that is the 'plan' formulated to disarm Americans,but they have 'no means' upon which to do this,not yet anyways.

    I do think there will be bloodshed if they try a confiscation,and even if there is an AWB2...many Americans are already proving they are 'desperate now',can you imagine later on?Gun registration is only a route to 'collect information' to obtain later,if possible,and I do believe they are 'testing the waters' (social engineering) to see 'if they could'.IMO,they would be opening the biggest can of worms ever,and even though 'many seem like sheep' there ARE those who are being vigilant...watching...and if those who wish to keep their positions in office would do well to remember how fast they will be put out of office if they persue this agenda!

    We dont have to wait for the 'next election'...ever hear of 'recall'?

    http://www.ncsl.org/programs/legismg...ocalrecall.htm

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    Are there any provisions for a presidential or congressionial recall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elza View Post
    One problem is the willingness of some to turn them in. Basically a variation of the old “better red than dead” line if thinking. I would be willing to bet that 80% of the gun owners would hand them over with little more than a whimper. For all of the bravado and chest thumping on the ‘net I suspect that most would comply.
    There are some that would fall into this category- if it's as high a percentage as 80% then we are well and truly screwed. At some point you have to be willing to stand up and fight for the Constitution. If we aren't willing to do that then we go down and we deserve to.

    But I doubt that the government would risk even that. They will do it in bits and pieces. The gun owners of this country comprise one of the most fragmented groups you are likely to find. The Fudds make up a big percentage and (for the most part) couldn’t care less about my EBR’s and handguns. Many are outright contemptuous of them and would applaud the government for taking them. Shotguners don’t care about rifles and on and on. I firmly believe that this will be our downfall.
    This is the part where we need to hang together instead of separately. An assault on one type of weapon is an assault on all. I think most gun owners understand this. If they don't, they'll come to understand it soon enough but by then it'll probably be too late.

    Personally I don’t intend to turn them in nor do I intend to die at my front door in a pile of hot brass. Noble, perhaps, but pointless in my opinion. I would rather hide my good guns, turn in some junk that I don’t care about along with a receipt or two and live to fight another day. Will they believe my receipts? I doubt it. Will they tear up my home in an effort to find the guns? Probably. Will they find any? No! Anyone that has not made preparation for such a scenario might want to re-think their options. Playing along is a far better plan than to go out in a blaze of glory. Said ‘blaze of glory’ would either not make the evening news or you will be demonized as a terrorist and got what you deserved.
    Everyone has to make their own personal choices, but the way I see it this way will lead to eventual defeat. More on that later, but in a more personal sense I simply will not tolerate agents of the government searching my house for weapons (whether I have them there or not). It's a violation of the Constitution I once swore to uphold and defend, and to me it would represent a marker that America is truly dead and not a country worth living in any longer. I don't want my kids growing up in a country like that, and I'm not prepared to 'hide my stuff' and stand by to let some JBT's toss my residence. **** that.

    I'm well into middle age and although I've got a lot of good years ahead of me, I'm willing to trade them in to refresh the liberty tree if push comes to shove. When I think about how many Americans less than half my age made the ultimate sacrifice for this country and my relatively easy life, I don't feel I can do any less. It's the old 'earn this' line. I understand that not everyone will feel the same way, and that's okay.

    Will people who fight be demonized? Yep. Will they be branded terrorists? Yep. Will the sheeple roll over and press on? Yep. But maybe not everyone will. And maybe when enough 'incidents' have happened, the top will blow off the pressure cooker and it'll be on. That's when we restore America or go down trying. The frog is about boiled dead as it is now.

    More to come...
    Last edited by Zack Attack; 04-12-2009 at 09:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McSwizzle View Post
    Are there any provisions for a presidential or congressionial recall?
    Impeachment is the only one I'm aware of.

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