The only other thing I could think of is sand bags for potential flooding, and or fortifying your position.
Running especially at the very first edge of the SHTF is pointless in the big city where I am. We learned that from everyone else who was stuck on the freeways with no gas in the heat after trying to make a hurricane run several years ago. It is so much nicer to be at home with some food and cool beer!
After a week, if things don't recover in your area, I would still hang out and see where things go. If power and water starts getting back on you will be fine. If nothing is running from the utilities by after a week or two you will have to fab up something to work in their places. Batteries and or solar panels with generators can keep you running for the time being.
If after a month you are aware that your neighborhood is not recovering only getting worse, it is then time to consider a bug out location. By this much time, the crowds along with the road ways will be somewhat cleared off so you might can move out? Depending on the situation?
If the status of your neighborhood has degraded to a point where there is no electricity and or water utilities after a month there will most likely be instances of thug confrontations you will have to take care of. Depending on how large the thug group is and or how well they may be armed may deem your day of reaconing? Keep your wits about you and make the very best of how to deal with that situation. This is when you and your neighbors would benefit from standing together.
However, avoid use of deadly force ONLY as a LAST RESORT! Giving away your position as an armed camp could alert other stronger thug groups to make a stand against you? No matter what rifle(s), ammo or number of people armed ready to fight you have there is some bunch somewhere who is stronger and better armed.
Last edited by musibike; 09-21-2009 at 04:31 PM.
One item that I have not seen yet on ants one list is
condoms. It doesn't seem important at first, but things might
not return to normal for weeks even months, at some point
the urge will hit and the stressful situation might bring
you and someone else close and this would be the worst time to
be pregnant or have an infant. You are stockpiling
food for a year so your expecting the situation to last.
First post here...
but how about a sticky with the most important items and the containers used to carry them that can fit a car trunk...
on your persons...(emp, etc)
I've scanned the lists and one area that seems to be missing is food preservation after SHTF.
First, I take the position that where possible Bug In, rather than Bug Out, unless the situation itself forces you from your home -- fire, chemical spill, flood, etc. at least until the initial mass panic dies down a bit. As an earlier poster mentioned, being stranded on a highway, is a nightmare, IMHO.
Even hunkering down with a well stocked pantry can only last for xx amount of time. People, situated where they can, talk about hunting to replinish the pantry. It's OK to fry up a rabbit or make squirrel stew. Bring down a deer and unless you're feeding a huge crowd, some of that meat is going to waste. Depending on the time of year, that can be pretty quickly, too.
People store seeds for future gardens, which is, IMHO, one of the more important prep items, after stocking the basics for immediate needs. However, again, unless some method(s) to preserve the food, isn't included in the plan, surplus vegetables will go to waste or has to be given away. Nothing wrong with giving it away, except that it'll mean a bare pantry when the growing season is over for many.
IMHO, all "Master Lists" should include preseving equipment and supplies and a working KNOWLEDGE to use them. Freezing is one of the easiest preserving methods. However, it's the most unreliable, unless you have a generator and plently of fuel for the long haul or can use the outdoors, during winter, for a freezer locker. Or, perhaps a 12V one with a method to generate the power.
In the event that a traditional freezer can no longer keep food frozen, for whatever reason, the food in it needs additional preservation or it has to be turned into compost. Beyond freezing there are a number of methods.
Rather than making a long list of all the equipment and supplies needed for these methods, may I suggest, instead, to pick up any number of books that deal with the subject. Obtain the needed equipment for the method(s) and then put it(them) into practice in your daily life. Knowing how to can, for example, will extend the life of almosg all that freezer food from a few days to a few years.
If you simply have a brand new canner in the box, a few cases of jars and a Ball Blue Book in the back of the pantry, chances are you'll lose a good portion of that frozen food. You won't have time to LEARN how to can, under stress, before the food rots.
And, further, you don't want to rely on one method, such as canning. Some foods are better preserved by other methods, for example. And/or, for example, strawberries from the patch in the backyard are ripe, but you don't have enough sugar to make preserves. The alternative is to dehydrate them. Bumper crop of cabbage and no lids, make sauekraut, or pickles from cucumbers, beets, and much more.
The following is a good place to get started learning more about these and to prepare your own "Master Checklist" of what you need for the methods that can be used in your circumstances. http://www.uga.edu/nchfp/index.html
Just my 2-cents this morning. Hope someone will find these thoughts to be useful.
I my opinion you need to be set up for both hunkering down and bugging out. This is why i use a cashe system, and back up BOL's i have a main retreat but i also have sevreal areas set up with cashes and shelters ( E.I old load mines, ghost towns, old trapper cabins, and a few underground shelters that i have perset a head of time that cover 3 states in the area). Nezt the one thing that i can see that are missing off the lists is cs and smoke grenades and other equipment that will clear areas out quickly.
You forgot one thing... a House to store all of it.
easiest thing... i just printed that looooongggggggggg luxury bug out refrigerator box full of stuff list, and used a highlighter to highlight stuff that i know i will need, and a lot of stuff would be nice but im not bill gates, i have bills to pay, well for naw anyways haha!
At current rates, that's over $32,000 of precious metal. I'll bet a pound of canned chicken would be worth more than any of those gold coins in a true shtf situation. I do have silver, and I have been collecting it for a long time, but I have never had 500 ounces. I envy the man that does though. I like shiny coins.
Originally Posted by argentum
Really, really detailed and excellent thread people!
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