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    Quote Originally Posted by Anuubis View Post
    You're not stocking for TS to HTF. You're stocking a luxury getaway.
    When TSHTF we are going to need to be mobile. Sitting in one place will make you a dead man unless you have an army to defend yourself.
    This I don't understand. I'm reminded of the saying: "If you run, you'll just die tired."

    I'd say it depends on what the problem is and most problems doesn't require bugging out. You know the saying, "Choose your battles" really applies here. I'm a Florida native and getting prepared for hurricane season ( non-perishable food and water{and ammo} for 1 wk) is a way of life for us. The reality is, you most likely will not have the "maurading thugs", as they know alot of folks are armed. If it is a Natural disaster or civil unrest, it will do no good to wander off, 'cause there's more danger out there than at home( over flowed sewage, downed trees and power lines, blocked roads and armed folks, like trigger happy folks/ cops/ NAtl Guard with shoot to kill looters orders). Nope, most of the time , the best strategy, IMO, is to stay home, board it up( and consider sandbagging the outside of your house(not only keep it cooler, but protect it from gun fire { I stacked sand bags 4' high in front of the door and around two sides of the house, to prevent flooding}), check on your neighbors (take them in if necessary- our next door neighbor was 78 yr old female-retired teacher- feisty as all get out- refused to leave her house, so we had to check on her frequently- anytime anyone went to her door, we were there{ we gave her a canned air horn- she'd blast it and I'd hurry over with a .45 on my hip}) and survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anuubis View Post
    You're not stocking for TS to HTF. You're stocking a luxury getaway.
    When TSHTF we are going to need to be mobile. Sitting in one place will make you a dead man unless you have an army to defend yourself.
    Roaming around makes for a great plot in fiction novels and movies, but in real life it sucks, and is unsustainable.

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    unless you have all the food and water you will ever need INSIDE your home, then you will die from a sniper or group of thugs.

    i dont know what people are not understanding about what is comming, a collapse never seen before, hungry and armed people going house to house looking for food, and see your sand bagged home is a perfect target.

    good luck to you!!!

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    not to mention the government has you on a list with your address on it, at least on the run you could pretend to be someone else.

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    I always found this list to be a good starting point. Obviously, opinions as to what is essential will be according to one's needs/situation...

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    100 Items to Disappear First - - - - - http://www.thepowerhour.com/news/ite...ppearfirst.htm


    • 1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
    • 2. Water Filters/Purifiers
    • 3. Portable Toilets
    • 4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
    • 5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
    • 6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
    • 7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
    • 8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
    • 9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
    • 10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
    • 11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
    • 12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
    • 13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
    • 14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
    • 15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
    • 16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
    • 17. Survival Guide Book.
    • 18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
    • 19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
    • 20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
    • 21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
    • 22. Vitamins
    • 23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
    • 24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
    • 25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
    • 26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
    • 27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
    • 28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
    • 29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
    • 30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
    • 31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
    • 32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
    • 33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
    • 34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
    • 35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
    • 36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
    • 37. First aid kits
    • 38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
    • 39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
    • 40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
    • 41. Flour, yeast & salt
    • 42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
    • 43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
    • 44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
    • 45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
    • 46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
    • 47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
    • 48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
    • 49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
    • 50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
    • 51. Fishing supplies/tools
    • 52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
    • 53. Duct Tape
    • 54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
    • 55. Candles
    • 56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
    • 57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
    • 58. Garden tools & supplies
    • 59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
    • 60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
    • 61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
    • 62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
    • 63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
    • 64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
    • 65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
    • 66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
    • 67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
    • 68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
    • 69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
    • 70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
    • 71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
    • 72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
    • 73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
    • 74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
    • 75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
    • 76. Reading glasses
    • 77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
    • 78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
    • 79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
    • 80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
    • 81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
    • 82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
    • 83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
    • 84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
    • 85. Lumber (all types)
    • 86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
    • 87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
    • 88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
    • 89. Lantern Hangers
    • 90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
    • 91. Teas
    • 92. Coffee
    • 93. Cigarettes
    • 94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
    • 95. Paraffin wax
    • 96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
    • 97. Chewing gum/candies
    • 98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
    • 99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
    • 100. Goats/chickens



    From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
    Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
    friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

    • 1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
      near renewable food sources.
    • 2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
    • 3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
      quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
    • 4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
      do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
    • 5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
      heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
      the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
      enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
      bulk.
    • 6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
      valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
      guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
      have a lot of time on your hands.
    • 7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
      people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
      toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
      lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
    • 8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches



    (Sorry if already posted on the site. Did a search and came up with nothing...)

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    In addition, I have also considered the following items to be good for bartering if you happen to be in a "civilized" area...

    • $500. Face value silver US dimes Silver has precious metal value
    • 500 rounds of ammunition for each gun
    • Lubricants for all equipment
    • 50- one pound cans of coffee
    • 100, 6 oz. cans of tobacco plus a cigarette rolling machine
    • 20 lbs of inexpensive pipe tobacco
    • One case of expensive whiskey
    • One case of expensive liquors
    • 10, 0ne ounce gold coins
    • 20, 1/4 ounce gold coins
    • 5, US $20 gold coins

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    Very nice list, thank you

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    scavenging is going to be a real menace? hardly. The true hallmark of a survivalist is being able to make due with what is at hand and improvising until you can improve your situation.

    People who stockpile their houses and "retreats" are correct.
    People who have a urban survival vehicle (van, pickup w/canopy) are correct
    People who live off the land are correct.

    How you will survive is a matter of personal preference and personal philosophical beliefs. Of course what you believe is one thing. How events will be shaped in the future are something else entirely. You may be able to influence your surroundings to a degree but you may also have to pack up and leave altogether. Remember the Alamo. They all fought valiantly but they all died as well. Santa Anna's was defeated elsewhere.

    You all fail to take into account one other aspect of the coming implosion of America. That is that your neighbor may see you as the enemy and try to kill you for your supplies that they think is theirs because of their "needs". If you have to kill your neighbors as a matter of self defence, will you let their goods sit there and be scavenged by your other neighbors? If you do you are a fool to do so.

    America is going to implode and fall into a Civil War 2 (see book by Tom Chittum) So far, the media is doing a very good job of hiding the problems. Homelessness. Lack of jobs, violence along the border and widespread hunger because people don't have enough food to feed themselves. It won't be a long continuous war although some places will see such at the onset. It will be a series of brushfire style wars. Flaring up rapidly and violently and then dying down. there will also be the individual guerrilla operations. Sniping of utility workers and other areas falling into decay. (see Flint Michigan). utilities and other services may not be available for several days to several weeks. What then? Just keep in mind that our infrastructure is extremely vulnerable; overhead power lines are easily damaged and water and sewer pumps are target of opportunity.

    If things do go bad and your supply lines are cut, where are you going to get bullets and other reloading supplies? How about fuel?

    Things will change in the future and you will have to change in order to survive. being adaptable is going to be key. Also, not everybody's situation is the same as yours so their viewpoints are different. I am homeless and I "scavenge out of dumpsters. Ever read "The Art and Science of Dumpster Diving"?

    I wish there were a one size fits all approach to survival but their isn't. surviving is about adaptability. adapt or die.

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    wow, if I was a millionaire.
    "a warrior is not proven only in combat, but also in life. He lives by a code,....... Combat is an extension of that code, not the source." Justin Smith

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    An exhaustive and intimidating list, folks, but remember...you need to go through this and immediately strike out the items you do not need. A lot of these items are regional specific.

    I live in a metro area. A motorcyle might be worthwhile, but a quad would not. Better yet...My bicycle is the best, because I now have no need to store boatloads of gas for it.

    A .22 would be a must, as we have LOTS of rabbits near my house. But we also have cougars, so a .357 is also necessary.

    You won't be carrying all that food in your pack, but I'll bet you already have most of it in your pantry. Do an inventory, and if you don't have a decent amount on hand, buy more.

    Costco is your friend...a lot of stuff you would pay a boatload of money online, plus shipping, is readily available at costco. Pick up an empty 5 gallon water bottle at Walmart for $2.50 and pour your reduced price beans in it for storage. These bottles come with screw caps for easy sealing. Or buy their blue 7 gallon square water jugs for this purpose.

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    That is quite a list!

    I never see the one medical prep item that I consider invaluable. Lactated Ringers Solution, LRS w/ 5% dextrose and the IV catheter kits. If someone becomes seriously ill or too dehydrated and cant keep fluids down it can kill them.

    We get ours from the veterinarian (I'm a vet tech). Even hubby knows how to start an IV thanks to the Army.

    Just something to consider...
    Last edited by Free Spirit; 08-30-2009 at 01:56 PM. Reason: typo

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