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    For years we have heard the folks who have pooh-poo'd the idea of North Korea being a viable threat.

    First they had missiles - folks said "But they'll never make one good enough to hit the US" - guess what, they did.
    Then they developed nukes - folks said "Yeah but they aren't capbable of making them small enough to fit on a missile - guess what, they did.
    Then they developed submarines - folks said "Yeah but they'll never get one to launch a missile" - guess what, they did.

    Within months, according to this article, they are expected to have working ICBM's. At that point they will be a true nuclear power, with between 30-60 warheads in their arsenal.

    So now the NK's have nuclear missile submarines. Probably not very good ones. But good enough to ruin a lot of people's day if things actually go hot. And they have an ongoing history of making the MOST dire threats imaginable against the US. And in many people's opinions, unstable leadership. Maybe just crazy enough to do something hostile/aggressive with those nuclear weapons, missiles, and submarines.

    So I dunno, are we just going to keep going round and round about how they're not a threat? Or are we going to start listening to them the way you'd listen to someone with a loaded gun pointing in your direction who's talking about how he's looking to settle some "score" he thinks needs settling? It should be pretty apparent by now that the NK's are willing to throw as much time, effort and money at overcoming any/all obstacles they believe they need to become a credible member of the nuclear club.

    Whatever it is you're about to "yeah but!" about... you can lay down good money on the odds that they've already got their top people working on it and it's just a matter of time.

    recently... analysts and policymakers have been taken repeatedly by surprise as North Korea achieved key milestones months or years ahead of schedule, noted Jeffrey Lewis, director of the Center for Nonproliferation Studies’ East Asia Nonproliferation Program. There was similar skepticism about China’s capabilities in the early 1960s, said Lewis, who has studied that country’s pathway to a successful nuclear test in 1964.

    “There is no reason to think that the North Koreans aren’t making the same progress after so many successful nuclear explosions,” Lewis said. “The big question is why do we hold the North Koreans to a different standard than we held [Joseph] Stalin’s Soviet Union or Mao Zedong’s China? North Korea is testing underground, so we’re always going to lack a lot of details. But it seems to me a lot of people are insisting on impossible levels of proof because they simply don’t want to accept what should be pretty obvious.”
    North Korea now making missile-ready nuclear weapons, U.S. analysts say
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e1fa54a0e966

    The problem is, if The Donald makes good on his promises :
    President Trump, speaking at an event at his Bedminster, N.J. golf course, said North Korea will face a devastating response if its threats continue.

    “They will be met with the fire and fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before,” Trump said.
    - then what will be the response of other nations like Russia and China? Will they "lodge a protest" at the UN? Or will they see it as an opportunity to point the finger at the US saying "they shot first" and use it as an excuse to counter-attack? Are we 100% sure all our best weapons are going to hit the intended target? Because if one veers off course, it could be an international incident that would make the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand look like a pop-gun by comparison. When you are talking about ICBMs at a range of the other side of the globe, you miss by a bit, you hit China, or Japan or some other "bystander". That's not going to go over well. But the cost of doing nothing may be unacceptably high as well.

    IMHO this should at least be on every prepper's radar as a possibility. Both for EMP and for collateral damage from "unintended consequences".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruss01 View Post
    For years we have heard the folks who have pooh-poo'd the idea of North Korea being a viable threat.

    First they had missiles - folks said "But they'll never make one good enough to hit the US" - guess what, they did.
    Then they developed nukes - folks said "Yeah but they aren't capbable of making them small enough to fit on a missile - guess what, they did.
    Then they developed submarines - folks said "Yeah but they'll never get one to launch a missile" - guess what, they did.

    Within months, according to this article, they are expected to have working ICBM's. At that point they will be a true nuclear power, with between 30-60 warheads in their arsenal.

    So now the NK's have nuclear missile submarines. Probably not very good ones. But good enough to ruin a lot of people's day if things actually go hot. And they have an ongoing history of making the MOST dire threats imaginable against the US. And in many people's opinions, unstable leadership. Maybe just crazy enough to do something hostile/aggressive with those nuclear weapons, missiles, and submarines.

    So I dunno, are we just going to keep going round and round about how they're not a threat? Or are we going to start listening to them the way you'd listen to someone with a loaded gun pointing in your direction who's talking about how he's looking to settle some "score" he thinks needs settling? It should be pretty apparent by now that the NK's are willing to throw as much time, effort and money at overcoming any/all obstacles they believe they need to become a credible member of the nuclear club.

    Whatever it is you're about to "yeah but!" about... you can lay down good money on the odds that they've already got their top people working on it and it's just a matter of time.



    North Korea now making missile-ready nuclear weapons, U.S. analysts say
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e1fa54a0e966

    The problem is, if The Donald makes good on his promises :


    - then what will be the response of other nations like Russia and China? Will they "lodge a protest" at the UN? Or will they see it as an opportunity to point the finger at the US saying "they shot first" and use it as an excuse to counter-attack? Are we 100% sure all our best weapons are going to hit the intended target? Because if one veers off course, it could be an international incident that would make the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand look like a pop-gun by comparison. When you are talking about ICBMs at a range of the other side of the globe, you miss by a bit, you hit China, or Japan or some other "bystander". That's not going to go over well. But the cost of doing nothing may be unacceptably high as well.

    IMHO this should at least be on every prepper's radar as a possibility. Both for EMP and for collateral damage from "unintended consequences".
    Lots of valid questions ...with out answers I fear. I feel we're at a cross roads, and one wrong turn...its "game on". I kind of get the feeling the OK Corral is just around the next bend. Honestly, my poor asshole keeps getting tighter and tighter.

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    Off hand, I'd say that they probably have someone in a position of authority to check and double check these things. This is all getting interesting, regardless. The timing is good to place several missile strikes along the San Andreas and send coastal Cali out to sea. Maybe one will accidentally take out the Cali guv, Mr Moonbeam.
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    For one thing, if we launch, it would be from close proximity, not long range like NK will attempt to do. NK has stated their perspective target as being Guam to destablize Anderson AFB. If KJI. Launches on Guam, it's game over before it begins.

    Personally, I don't believe Russia nor China wants war with the US, especially if NK strikes first. It's justifiable defense if we have to flatten them.

    IF We are forced to strike first to prevent an attack on US soil, NK's threat justify a preemptive strike according the UN council.
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    US Air Force jets take off from Guam for training, ensuring they can 'fight tonight!

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...t-tonight.html
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    Today is the day that we can definitely say North Korea is a nuclear power,” Harry Kazianis, director of defense studies at the Center for the National Interest, told USA TODAY. “There is no more time to stick our heads in the sand and think we have months or years to confront this challenge.
    It's official, according to this source... NK is a real nuclear power.
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    Wow Camouflaged!!!!

    For one thing, if we launch, it would be from close proximity, not long range like NK will attempt to do. NK has stated their perspective target as being Guam to destablize Anderson AFB. If KJI. Launches on Guam, it's game over before it begins.

    Personally, I don't believe Russia nor China wants war with the US, especially if NK strikes first. It's justifiable defense if we have to flatten them.

    IF We are forced to strike first to prevent an attack on US soil, UK's threat justify a preemptive strike according the UN council.

    This is a gaslighting news article by Fox News. A misdirection. Anderson AFB is only a partial threat..to the NK. It is not the big picture. This is already in the plans..the possibility of losing a forward deployed base like Anderson AFB.

    What you want to see is further down the island of Guam to a small town named Piti next to a deep water harbor. In this harbor you can see a large ship tied to the pier at its stern..its rear parked at the pier..not sideways as is usual for a ship. Chances are ...that this is an olde picture on Google earth ...two weeks olde or more.
    No telling how long or if these ships are still there.

    There are two gangplank looking T structures amidships sticking out sideways from the ship. This is a submarine tender. There are two submarines tied up to the pier..and one across the bay. This is what one needs to be watching...not the Air Force base. The Air Force Base is what someone wants us to see and know. For it is much more difficult to hide.

    Once these and other boats are put to sea....with proper loadouts..they are very very difficult to find.

    Constantly on the move..an aircraft carrier and it's escorts are not all that easy to find as well...and one or two of it's escorts will be submarines.

    But the big question is ..."Where are our "Boomers????" For that is the question the North Koreans need to keep in mind....always. That...Camouflaged...is the pucker factor!!!

    For they can stay out on station six months or more ...unseen and unknown...then replaced by another "Boomer."


    This cycle has been going on since the mid 1960s with little knowledge by most Americans.

    The leadership of North Korea ...have much much bigger problems than Anderson AFB, Guam....much much bigger and more immediate. Anderson AFB on Guam just happens to be closer to Korea than other bases...like Hawaii or Alaska...et al....continental USA etc.

    Remember...we have a Nimitz class carrier stationed in Japan too. And they are talking about Guam??? Do you not think that someone has also factored in the possibility that we might lose a forward deployed base like Japan as well???

    This article is a distraction by Fox News and way off the main highway.

    Agree...neither Russia nor China want a war with the USA..and it would be very destructive to a profitable commerce...status quo.


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    We don't even need a base in the area. Our B-2s can leave right from their base here in the center of the USA and fly over there and they will never see them coming. Our subs can shoot cruise missiles that Korea will have no idea where they are coming from. Once Korea is softened up we can then send in the Hornets from the carrier and South Korea has plenty of jets and will want in on the action. By that time a whole lot of old B-52's can start dropping tons and tons of bombs. They too can fly from where ever they happen to be in the world.

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    I LIKE Hiwalls way of thinking!! Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiwall View Post
    We don't even need a base in the area. Our B-2s can leave right from their base here in the center of the USA and fly over there and they will never see them coming. Our subs can shoot cruise missiles that Korea will have no idea where they are coming from. Once Korea is softened up we can then send in the Hornets from the carrier and South Korea has plenty of jets and will want in on the action. By that time a whole lot of old B-52's can start dropping tons and tons of bombs. They too can fly from where ever they happen to be in the world.
    Not saying we wouldn't win (of course we would) but out of those 30-60 nukes are they liable to get a small handful to where they do some REAL damage? Nuke 2 cities and put one whole time zone in tbe dark from an EMP that got lucky... there would be mass panic and a lot of hardship for months... not just the affected areas but think of the displaced refugees. Think of political upheaval... it cohld be the first step of balkanization. A financial system collapse. Martial law.

    If KJU isn't deposed it's probably going to come to this eventually. Just be ready when it does. Underestimating them and wishful thinking is what has brought us to this point... lets be careful we don't continue those bad habits.
    Last edited by bruss01; 08-09-2017 at 04:06 PM.
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