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    So Steelwolf, the $64,000 question is; from your time in service, what percentage of troops do you believe would participate in such an operation against fellow Americans in an American city?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Straycat1911 View Post
    So Steelwolf, the $64,000 question is; from your time in service, what percentage of troops do you believe would participate in such an operation against fellow Americans in an American city?
    Recall Hurricane Katrina...
    Quite a few of them.
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    I believe things can happen here in the US that 3, 5, or 10 years ago I would have laughed off. This ain't the same country our parents and grandparents grew up in and made successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straycat1911 View Post
    So Steelwolf, the $64,000 question is; from your time in service, what percentage of troops do you believe would participate in such an operation against fellow Americans in an American city?
    Well, thats a good question. I chose not to re enlist. I know many of the troops I served with at the time have also finished up their enlistments and are now carrying on with their lives. Those I keep in touch with, I doubt many would want to do the same here.

    HOWEVER - I can't vouch for some of the newer troops. Especially in the National Guard and Reserves, where many units have partnerships with local LE services. I remember when I was in we did a lot of joint training with our local PD SWAT and a lot of "Disaster Response Training." Most of it was pretty benign (Sharing tactics, Air-Assault training, medical training, Decontamination training for a WMD, etc), however now I hear that local PD / Nat.Guard units are starting joint LE work at public events (Traffic control, riot control, checkpoints, etc.), and this makes me VERY uneasy.

    If you watch Alex Jones' documentary "Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA" you can see it pretty plainly. I know he doesn't carry much weight around here - but you can't deny REAL Video of National Guard working as LE Auxiliaries in our streets. Or go on youtube and search for National Guard on our streets or something like that - HUNDREDS of videos.

    A lot of the younger troops I've met seem to be pretty... programmed if you catch my drift. I try to talk to my friends before they enlist, or shortly after returning from AIT about WHY they serve and WHO they serve, and what their constitutional limits are, and introduce them to Oath Keepers, but a lot seem to be pretty unreceptive. One actually told me "I'm not allowed to join Militia groups" - SINCE WHEN ARE THE OATH KEEPERS A MILITIA? Apparently, he was instructed that they were an "Extremist Organization."

    Look, I'm ok with the Guard handing out MREs and setting up hospital tents after hurricanes, but setting up riot formations alongside local PD? NOT COOL. Setting up checkpoints on city streets? Also, NOT COOL. National Guard aviation units were used at WACO, and now are used more frequently. Its easy to sell - Guard pilots get more flight hours, and local PD's get an Eye in the Sky.

    Something really worries me about the new generation of troops. I'm sure they have all the best intentions and I still thank them for their service... but something just isn't right. What about the MASSIVE National Guard hiring spree for "Internment & Resettlement Specialists" (AKA - MOS 31E, my old secondary MOS. A good amount of MP's are dual qualified as 31B/31E in the Guard/Reserves.).
    http://patriotupdate.com/15952/femas...ring-has-begun

    When I was in, the emphasis during 31E training was placed on dealing with ENEMY COMBATANTS (AKA POW's), now it appears to be shifting towards something altogether - political dissidents, "Domestic Terrorists" and the like.

    And what of the TSA? I think that FEMA and DHS realize that even with new "training" (AKA - Anti-Liberty Brainwashing in Military & LE schools), many troops won't want to go along with this, like they didn't during Katrina. Many cops are starting to wake up to this too. So who do they turn to?

    The TSA has been gradually getting more and more tyrannical and out of control. When I was a kid, I never imagined that just a few years later, some goon could GROPE MY DAUGHTER just to get on a plane. The airport is the PERFECT place to push the envelope - no one wants to resist or cause a scene - they could miss their flight, or worse. Now, the TSA may start showing up at Bus, Train & Subway stations, "for our own good." They have programmed an entire generation to NOT FIGHT BACK. I heard on the radio they are offering a $179/year "Fast Pass" card you can swipe and bypass the body scanners and molest-a-thons, and just have your baggage checked. Its some type of biometric thing, retina scans and fingerprints on the card, and of course an RFID chip. How long before it shows up at other transport hubs? How long until it becomes MANDATORY? Imagine a world where you would need to swipe a card with your biometrics to do ANYTHING - toll booths, boarding a bus, going to the mall??

    It's called FlyClear, http://clearme.com/how-it-works, and is still in its infancy. BUT - with Tyranny, incrementalism is always the key.

    This is NOT the country I signed up to serve.

    This really is a ticking time bomb.

    THE POLICE STATE IS NOT COMING - IT IS ALREADY HERE!
    Last edited by SteelWolf; 02-01-2012 at 02:00 PM. Reason: EDIT to add - TSA FAST PASS
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crow View Post
    Crazy nuts, nothing is happening. Turn the football game on and relax on the couch, everything is just fine...
    Yes. Drink the coolaid... just relax... never mind the flash bangs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelWolf View Post
    A lot of the younger troops I've met seem to be pretty... programmed if you catch my drift. I try to talk to my friends before they enlist, or shortly after returning from AIT about WHY they serve and WHO they serve, and what their constitutional limits are, and introduce them to Oath Keepers, but a lot seem to be pretty unreceptive. One actually told me "I'm not allowed to join Militia groups" - SINCE WHEN ARE THE OATH KEEPERS A MILITIA? Apparently, he was instructed that they were an "Extremist Organization."

    I heard on the radio they are offering a $179/year "Fast Pass" card you can swipe and bypass the body scanners and molest-a-thons, and just have your baggage checked. Its some type of biometric thing, retina scans and fingerprints on the card, and of course an RFID chip. How long before it shows up at other transport hubs? How long until it becomes MANDATORY? Imagine a world where you would need to swipe a card with your biometrics to do ANYTHING - toll booths, boarding a bus, going to the mall??

    It's called FlyClear, http://clearme.com/how-it-works, and is still in its infancy. BUT - with Tyranny, incrementalism is always the key.
    Even though I've never served, I've thought about joining Oath Keepers as a civilian member. Any group that starts asking questions is going to be considered "extremist" before long.

    Scary that those biometric pass cards and scanners used to be stuff you saw in dystopian sci-fi movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpus Monkus View Post
    I believe things can happen here in the US that 3, 5, or 10 years ago I would have laughed off. This ain't the same country our parents and grandparents grew up in and made successful.
    That's the damn truth right there!
    Just wait and see what it's like 10 years from now, especially if we continue to repeat the same mistakes every election cycle. Problem is, most people are in denial and "laugh off" the things that have already happened and are happening now, there's even a whole lot of "preppers" that take that approach...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumberjack View Post
    Recall Hurricane Katrina...
    Quite a few of them.
    With the NRA book "The Great American Gun Grab" as my source, the military (at that time) was not involved in gun confiscation. Only the local cops and the out of state cops were. Again, my source above. Wasn't there, glad I wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelWolf View Post
    Well, thats a good question. I chose not to re enlist. I know many of the troops I served with at the time have also finished up their enlistments and are now carrying on with their lives. Those I keep in touch with, I doubt many would want to do the same here.

    HOWEVER - I can't vouch for some of the newer troops. Especially in the National Guard and Reserves, where many units have partnerships with local LE services. I remember when I was in we did a lot of joint training with our local PD SWAT and a lot of "Disaster Response Training." Most of it was pretty benign (Sharing tactics, Air-Assault training, medical training, Decontamination training for a WMD, etc), however now I hear that local PD / Nat.Guard units are starting joint LE work at public events (Traffic control, riot control, checkpoints, etc.), and this makes me VERY uneasy.

    If you watch Alex Jones' documentary "Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA" you can see it pretty plainly. I know he doesn't carry much weight around here - but you can't deny REAL Video of National Guard working as LE Auxiliaries in our streets. Or go on youtube and search for National Guard on our streets or something like that - HUNDREDS of videos.

    A lot of the younger troops I've met seem to be pretty... programmed if you catch my drift. I try to talk to my friends before they enlist, or shortly after returning from AIT about WHY they serve and WHO they serve, and what their constitutional limits are, and introduce them to Oath Keepers, but a lot seem to be pretty unreceptive. One actually told me "I'm not allowed to join Militia groups" - SINCE WHEN ARE THE OATH KEEPERS A MILITIA? Apparently, he was instructed that they were an "Extremist Organization."

    Look, I'm ok with the Guard handing out MREs and setting up hospital tents after hurricanes, but setting up riot formations alongside local PD? NOT COOL. Setting up checkpoints on city streets? Also, NOT COOL. National Guard aviation units were used at WACO, and now are used more frequently. Its easy to sell - Guard pilots get more flight hours, and local PD's get an Eye in the Sky.

    Something really worries me about the new generation of troops. I'm sure they have all the best intentions and I still thank them for their service... but something just isn't right. What about the MASSIVE National Guard hiring spree for "Internment & Resettlement Specialists" (AKA - MOS 31E, my old secondary MOS. A good amount of MP's are dual qualified as 31B/31E in the Guard/Reserves.).
    http://patriotupdate.com/15952/femas...ring-has-begun

    When I was in, the emphasis during 31E training was placed on dealing with ENEMY COMBATANTS (AKA POW's), now it appears to be shifting towards something altogether - political dissidents, "Domestic Terrorists" and the like.

    And what of the TSA? I think that FEMA and DHS realize that even with new "training" (AKA - Anti-Liberty Brainwashing in Military & LE schools), many troops won't want to go along with this, like they didn't during Katrina. Many cops are starting to wake up to this too. So who do they turn to?

    The TSA has been gradually getting more and more tyrannical and out of control. When I was a kid, I never imagined that just a few years later, some goon could GROPE MY DAUGHTER just to get on a plane. The airport is the PERFECT place to push the envelope - no one wants to resist or cause a scene - they could miss their flight, or worse. Now, the TSA may start showing up at Bus, Train & Subway stations, "for our own good." They have programmed an entire generation to NOT FIGHT BACK. I heard on the radio they are offering a $179/year "Fast Pass" card you can swipe and bypass the body scanners and molest-a-thons, and just have your baggage checked. Its some type of biometric thing, retina scans and fingerprints on the card, and of course an RFID chip. How long before it shows up at other transport hubs? How long until it becomes MANDATORY? Imagine a world where you would need to swipe a card with your biometrics to do ANYTHING - toll booths, boarding a bus, going to the mall??

    It's called FlyClear, http://clearme.com/how-it-works, and is still in its infancy. BUT - with Tyranny, incrementalism is always the key.

    This is NOT the country I signed up to serve.

    This really is a ticking time bomb.

    THE POLICE STATE IS NOT COMING - IT IS ALREADY HERE!
    Couldn't say it any better. Thank you for your service, sir.
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