What SHTF scenario are you expecting?

[The Gun Stop]

I think either a pandemic will be released or another event like 9/11 but on a bigger scale will happen. Either of these will cause martial law to be declared and then foreign troops will appear here. Lots of arrests will be made, guns will be taken and much more.

What do you think will cause SHTF?

[yugoshooter]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head! We will see the Avian flu and that will be enough to declare martial law. If you remember on anther post I ask LEOs and mils what they would do. Thats why I ask because I want to know whom is going to enforce martial law. HMMM :scratch: Maybe thats why they are letting all these illegal aliens in. The Gov knows most LEOs and mils wont fight against the American people, but offer the illegals citizenship and they would be glad to do it. :shock:

[The Gun Stop]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head! We will see the Avian flu and that will be enough to declare martial law. If you remember on anther post I ask LEOs and mils what they would do. Thats why I ask because I want to know whom is going to enforce martial law. HMMM :scratch: Maybe thats why they are letting all these illegal aliens in. The Gov knows most LEOs and mils wont fight against the American people, but offer the illegals citizenship and they would be glad to do it. :shock:

If you watch Alex Jones' dvds you dont have to do much research. Its straight from the horses mouth. There are foreign troops here, and everyone knows Americans wont treat the public like scum, but foreigners will :) Anyways, he has lots of footage of foreign troops doing drills here in USA of gun confiscation, door to door checks and riot control

[yugoshooter]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head! We will see the Avian flu and that will be enough to declare martial law. If you remember on anther post I ask LEOs and mils what they would do. Thats why I ask because I want to know whom is going to enforce martial law. HMMM :scratch: Maybe thats why they are letting all these illegal aliens in. The Gov knows most LEOs and mils wont fight against the American people, but offer the illegals citizenship and they would be glad to do it. :shock:

If you watch Alex Jones' dvds you dont have to do much research. Its straight from the horses mouth. There are foreign troops here, and everyone knows Americans wont treat the public like scum, but foreigners will :) Anyways, he has lots of footage of foreign troops doing drills here in USA of gun confiscation, door to door checks and riot control Yes I have seen those and read about it. A guy in az in 2002 told me about how you see all these German and other peoples from other countrys touring the US in rvs. He said they where really U.N troops posing as tourist. :shock:

[The Gun Stop]

Yes I have seen those and read about it. A guy in az in 2002 told me about how you see all these German and other peoples from other countrys touring the US in rvs. He said they where really U.N troops posing as tourist. :shock:

Man...I have seen stuff too, wont talk about it here but yea this upcoming SHTF situation will wake everyone up.

[maddawg918]

Anyways, he has lots of footage of foreign troops doing drills here in USA of gun confiscation, door to door checks and riot control

Well, we won't have to feel bad about killing invaders then, will we?

[The Gun Stop]

Anyways, he has lots of footage of foreign troops doing drills here in USA of gun confiscation, door to door checks and riot control

Well, we won't have to feel bad about killing invaders then, will we?
nope! :sniper:

[edzr7s]

I say the dollar goes to hell and a total economic collapse happens, causing the .gov to declare marital law. Please excuse my craptastic grammer and spelling.

[yugoshooter]

I say the dollar goes to hell and a total economic collapse happens, causing the .gov to declare marital law. Please excuse my craptastic grammer and spelling. The flu will cause that.

[chicom]

1. Possible high altitude detonation causing EMP.

2. One of those super solar flares with same effect as above.

3.Another tango attack which will cause incremental totaltarism.

4. Girl Scouts stop selling cookies


Seriously, you have to look at what America's achilles heel is. It's an over-reliance on technology and distribution.

If I wanted to cause mayhem, I would inflict the systems and mechanisms that makes mass distribution work. Just think what it takes to get milk or bread to the store.

[MOlivo]

They would have to have ALOT of foreign troops here in order to go through with gun confiscations. Between the armed citizens who wouldnt give theirs up and the Leos and our own military that refuses, your talking about one HELL of a big, pissed off crowd (with guns).

[yugoshooter]

They would have to have ALOT of foreign troops here in order to go through with gun confiscations. Between the armed citizens who wouldnt give theirs up and the Leos and our own military that refuses, your talking about one HELL of a big, pissed off crowd (with guns). There is like 30 million illegals in this country now. Who knows how many are already armed and the Gov would hire them in a heartbeat. I have been reading that some Mexicans in the southwest Think it still belongs to Mexico and want to take it back by force if need be :ticked: Man I wish I could find The link to that story. Anyone else hear about that?

[MiamiARFan]

Tough call, there are soooo many options;

1. Sustained Terrorist Cell activities as experienced by Isreal, forcing civil liberties to be curtailed and marshall law declared. Stock market tanks and an economic collapse ensues.

2. Extended World wide pandemic. People are forced to stay home or are sick and dying because the hospitals and .gov response is overwhelmed. Economy tanks, rationing and marshall law declared to combat wide spread looting and mayhem in the urban areas.

3. SW United States is over run by Illegal Aliens and reclaimed by South America with support from Chavez and other Latin American Countries. Not an outright war, but a war of attrition, sucking resources galore to try and maintain order in Kalifornia, New Mexico, Texas and Florida. Economic collapse as "undocumented immigrants" (a kinder, gentler version of Illegals as proposed by Miami's own Frederica Wilson) walk off of their jobs.

Take your pick.

[sksAL]

on what grounds does the "flu pandemic" stand? from what i read, mabe 2oo caught it in china. thats no pandemic. a small outbreak, mabe.why are we,the usa, supposed to be so affected by bird flu? and the illegal aliens will be armed and trained by OUR gov to roust us and take our guns? not a chance! prolly many would be shot on site,moral of foriegners will decline rapidly.

[The Gun Stop]

on what grounds does the "flu pandemic" stand? from what i read, mabe 2oo caught it in china. thats no pandemic. a small outbreak, mabe.why are we,the usa, supposed to be so affected by bird flu? and the illegal aliens will be armed and trained by OUR gov to roust us and take our guns? not a chance! prolly many would be shot on site,moral of foriegners will decline rapidly.

No. The foreign troops will be UN peace keepers. Watch Alex Jones' Police State documentaries and you can see German and CZ troops doing training here.

[The Gun Stop]

on what grounds does the "flu pandemic" stand? from what i read, mabe 2oo caught it in china. thats no pandemic. a small outbreak, mabe.why are we,the usa, supposed to be so affected by bird flu? and the illegal aliens will be armed and trained by OUR gov to roust us and take our guns? not a chance! prolly many would be shot on site,moral of foriegners will decline rapidly.

Welcome sksAL,

The foreign troops will be UN peace keepers. Watch Alex Jones' Police State documentaries and you can see German and CZ troops doing training here. Many of them are here already. Holloman Air Force Base has German troops.

[yugoshooter]

on what grounds does the "flu pandemic" stand? from what i read, mabe 2oo caught it in china. thats no pandemic. a small outbreak, mabe.why are we,the usa, supposed to be so affected by bird flu? and the illegal aliens will be armed and trained by OUR gov to roust us and take our guns? not a chance! prolly many would be shot on site,moral of foriegners will decline rapidly. It hasn't transfered from human to human YET! They know it will. Even the Gov says not if but when, If you have 50 to 60% of the people dieing or dead the economy wont be able to keep up and will have a collapse. When it happens it will spread very fast because of air travel and most people will think they have your every day type of flu. Do you know how many are Armed now? I don't and thats scary because that means the gov don't because they have them illegally. Do you think the GOV and the elite care how many of them die.

[track21]

Tough call, there are soooo many options;

1. Sustained Terrorist Cell activities as experienced by Isreal, forcing civil liberties to be curtailed and marshall law declared. Stock market tanks and an economic collapse ensues.

2. Extended World wide pandemic. People are forced to stay home or are sick and dying because the hospitals and .gov response is overwhelmed. Economy tanks, rationing and marshall law declared to combat wide spread looting and mayhem in the urban areas.

3. SW United States is over run by Illegal Aliens and reclaimed by South America with support from Chavez and other Latin American Countries. Not an outright war, but a war of attrition, sucking resources galore to try and maintain order in Kalifornia, New Mexico, Texas and Florida. Economic collapse as "undocumented immigrants" (a kinder, gentler version of Illegals as proposed by Miami's own Frederica Wilson) walk off of their jobs.

Take your pick.

This is my best guess as well. I would just like to add.

4. Super Hurricanes level florida due to increasing world temperature creating larger and larger storm cell. Basically Katrina on a State Level.

I don't see foreign troops doing a whole lot in America. We have one German Airforce base here b/c a long time ago we had to justify having so many US troops in Nato countries while they had none in ours. So we gave the germans a base to settle everyone down. Clearly if any foreign troops start regulating life here in America. They should be considered invaders. I have first hand knowldge of how effective an insurgency can be. When you have intelligent patriotic amercans w/ serious shooting skills in that equation the results would be devestating to an occupying force.

[yugoshooter]

Tough call, there are soooo many options;

1. Sustained Terrorist Cell activities as experienced by Isreal, forcing civil liberties to be curtailed and marshall law declared. Stock market tanks and an economic collapse ensues.

2. Extended World wide pandemic. People are forced to stay home or are sick and dying because the hospitals and .gov response is overwhelmed. Economy tanks, rationing and marshall law declared to combat wide spread looting and mayhem in the urban areas.

3. SW United States is over run by Illegal Aliens and reclaimed by South America with support from Chavez and other Latin American Countries. Not an outright war, but a war of attrition, sucking resources galore to try and maintain order in Kalifornia, New Mexico, Texas and Florida. Economic collapse as "undocumented immigrants" (a kinder, gentler version of Illegals as proposed by Miami's own Frederica Wilson) walk off of their jobs.

Take your pick.

This is my best guess as well. I would just like to add.

4. Super Hurricanes level florida due to increasing world temperature creating larger and larger storm cell. Basically Katrina on a State Level.

I don't see foreign troops doing a whole lot in America. We have one German Airforce base here b/c a long time ago we had to justify having so many US troops in Nato countries while they had none in ours. So we gave the germans a base to settle everyone down. Clearly if any foreign troops start regulating life here in America. They should be considered invaders. I have first hand knowldge of how effective an insurgency can be. When you have intelligent patriotic amercans w/ serious shooting skills in that equation the results would be devestating to an occupying force. Welcome.

[MOlivo]

Far as im concerned, they can have california. Nothin but gun hatin hippies there anyway :hippy:

[yugoshooter]

Far as im concerned, they can have california. Nothin but gun hatin hippies there anyway :hippy: Thats funny :rofl: I use to be a hippie but not a gun hating one.

[mitchshrader]

suspect there's a lot more old vets with AK's in that crowd than you are counting. They don't tend to say much.

If you sincerely think guns and hippies don't mix, I advise staying to heck out of northern california in the fall.

some of them vegetarian horticulturalists is downright good shots. :)

[yugoshooter]

suspect there's a lot more old vets with AK's in that crowd than you are counting. They don't tend to say much.

If you sincerely think guns and hippies don't mix, I advise staying to heck out of northern california in the fall.

some of them vegetarian horticulturalists is downright good shots. :) I have been to Hombolt county in the fall, I know what you mean! :machinegun: :hippy:

[eXpat]

Check this intro of a Game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwJxeH0Ayz8&mode=related&search= . Makes you want to go to buy more ammo :P

[DirtPirate]

They would have to have ALOT of foreign troops here in order to go through with gun confiscations. Between the armed citizens who wouldnt give theirs up and the Leos and our own military that refuses, your talking about one HELL of a big, pissed off crowd (with guns). There is like 30 million illegals in this country now. Who knows how many are already armed and the Gov would hire them in a heartbeat. I have been reading that some Mexicans in the southwest Think it still belongs to Mexico and want to take it back by force if need be :ticked: Man I wish I could find The link to that story. Anyone else hear about that?


Yes...I have heard that...and there are more and more sign and instances that suggest that it is getting closer and closer. There is grumbling amongst the illegal Mexican poulations all over the country that the SW US "is still" just another Mexican territory...and they consider us occupiers...

[billy870]

1: terrorist attack: either nuclear or biological
2: civil unrest: once gas is too expensive to buy, people will steal it, low up refineries and so on
3: civil war: peoples rights stripped away, must disarm, everything rationed, people get sick of it
4: other:

[Hail to the King, Baby.]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head! We will see the Avian flu and that will be enough to declare martial law. If you remember on anther post I ask LEOs and mils what they would do. Thats why I ask because I want to know whom is going to enforce martial law. HMMM :scratch: Maybe thats why they are letting all these illegal aliens in. The Gov knows most LEOs and mils wont fight against the American people, but offer the illegals citizenship and they would be glad to do it. :shock:

If you watch Alex Jones' dvds you dont have to do much research. Its straight from the horses mouth. There are foreign troops here, and everyone knows Americans wont treat the public like scum, but foreigners will :) Anyways, he has lots of footage of foreign troops doing drills here in USA of gun confiscation, door to door checks and riot control Yes I have seen those and read about it. A guy in az in 2002 told me about how you see all these German and other peoples from other countrys touring the US in rvs. He said they where really U.N troops posing as tourist. :shock:

I can belive it, but, what position of authority was this person in to be trusted? Did he work for the government? Was he just passing on a rumour?

[Hail to the King, Baby.]

Far as im concerned, they can have california. Nothin but gun hatin hippies there anyway :hippy:

Headed by... Ahnold. Incredible irony, there, LOL.

But hey, give CA some slack, it's a beautiful place.

[yugoshooter]

[quote=yugoshooter]You pretty much hit the nail on the head! We will see the Avian flu and that will be enough to declare martial law. If you remember on anther post I ask LEOs and mils what they would do. Thats why I ask because I want to know whom is going to enforce martial law. HMMM :scratch: Maybe thats why they are letting all these illegal aliens in. The Gov knows most LEOs and mils wont fight against the American people, but offer the illegals citizenship and they would be glad to do it. :shock:

If you watch Alex Jones' dvds you dont have to do much research. Its straight from the horses mouth. There are foreign troops here, and everyone knows Americans wont treat the public like scum, but foreigners will :) Anyways, he has lots of footage of foreign troops doing drills here in USA of gun confiscation, door to door checks and riot control Yes I have seen those and read about it. A guy in az in 2002 told me about how you see all these German and other peoples from other countrys touring the US in rvs. He said they where really U.N troops posing as tourist. :shock:

I can belive it, but, what position of authority was this person in to be trusted? Did he work for the government? Was he just passing on a rumour?[/quote:50bb3]He got it off of David icke years ago, He was border patrol. http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/ :freedom:

[scotto]

When you have intelligent patriotic amercans w/ serious shooting skills in that equation the results would be devestating to an occupying force.

True!

[randyb]

Natural disaster (flood, tornado, snow),
Pandemic (or belief that one is occurring)
Terrorist attack
Hilary gets in office.

[Street Tactic]

- Natural Disaster is always number one on my list here in Florida
- Pandemic such as avian flu where FEMA may decide to lock down an area/city.
- Disarmament which in my opinion would eventually lead to a revolt by citizens

[Gunfixr]

Welcome to the forum, Street Tactic. Pull up a chair and enjoy the festivities.

[Street Tactic]

Thanks for the welcome brother!

[LLOD]

-Natural Disaster.
-Pandemic
-Terrorist attack
-The U.S invading :P

Then there is also the whole Zombie thing, but don't get me going on that.

LLOD

[Shambler]

Living on the east coast as I do this time of year we always have hurricanes to look forward to. But if its real scary shtf stuff there is always bird flu. oh and also more good news Bedford VA closed 21 schools after they had a big staph outbreak and one kid died. This new kind of staph is super resistent to treament and scientists estimate in the near furture this strain of staph will kill more people yearly than AIDS, so wash wash your hands kids.

[Ltlabner]

Living on the east coast as I do this time of year we always have hurricanes to look forward to. But if its real scary shtf stuff there is always bird flu. oh and also more good news Bedford VA closed 21 schools after they had a big staph outbreak and one kid died. This new kind of staph is super resistent to treament and scientists estimate in the near furture this strain of staph will kill more people yearly than AIDS, so wash wash your hands kids.

Same thing happend in Ohio reciently. Over the course of a week or two, "super staph" infections broke out at schools across Ohio. They started up by Cleveland (IIRC) and soon made their way to Columbus, Dayton and then eventually SW Ohio. I'm sure that was all totally random. :scratch:

My vote(s) go for:
Financial crisis (great depression re-dux. Execpt this time people are just too damn lazy to adapt...instead they will freak out).
Pandemic (whether completley natural or used by some group to gain power over a given area)
Natual disaster
Race Riots (on a smaller, isolated geographic scale)

[Christian for Israel]

Revelation chapter 6 onwards...

[DocOutlands]

All the above.....






.....at once!

[medicff0879]

They would have to have ALOT of foreign troops here in order to go through with gun confiscations. Between the armed citizens who wouldnt give theirs up and the Leos and our own military that refuses, your talking about one HELL of a big, pissed off crowd (with guns). There is like 30 million illegals in this country now. Who knows how many are already armed and the Gov would hire them in a heartbeat. I have been reading that some Mexicans in the southwest Think it still belongs to Mexico and want to take it back by force if need be :ticked: Man I wish I could find The link to that story. Anyone else hear about that?


Yes...I have heard that...and there are more and more sign and instances that suggest that it is getting closer and closer. There is grumbling amongst the illegal Mexican poulations all over the country that the SW US "is still" just another Mexican territory...and they consider us occupiers...

I am most worried about a race war breaking out in our Southwestern states. I was watching Glen Beck and he was airing a special episode pertaining to the "Border Crisis" and that a farmer had found mexican soldier ID's as far as 65 miles into Texas land!! Several of the local Sheriff's in border counties were talking about their sightings of mexican soldiers coming into Texas to buy goods at a local truck stop 12 miles inland on a regular basis!! All I can say as a born and raised Texan is "REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!" It WILL be our battle cry when Texans are provoked enough to make the decision that its time to take our land back from Mexico, AGAIN!! Unless of course another event were to occur that is worse than the Alamo?

Other than that, I am just about as worried of when the next terrorist attack will occur, how it will occur, and where it will occur?
After than, another Pandemic (especially since my GF and I both work in the medical field) and the decision to leave our duty to save our own asses to fight another day. Thats my opinion, but Im not so sure about my GF as she believes the govt. has a secret vaccine that will give all medical first responders immunity (I have heard this BS from others at my job as well) I simply say, I will be out of here, if they fire me I will come back in a few months to take the bosses job because they are part of the casualities LOL!!

[ZombieHunter_EKY]

It is going to be a domino effect. Once one starts the others will soon fall into line creating a FUBAR unlike any before.

[mr slow]

Cook county ILLINOIS just raised there sales tax 11 % which is the highest in the country. What next !

[Alredneck]

1. Possible high altitude detonation causing EMP.

2. One of those super solar flares with same effect as above.

3.Another tango attack which will cause incremental totaltarism.

4. Girl Scouts stop selling cookies


Seriously, you have to look at what America's achilles heel is. It's an over-reliance on technology and distribution.

If I wanted to cause mayhem, I would inflict the systems and mechanisms that makes mass distribution work. Just think what it takes to get milk or bread to the store.

Thats it plain and simple they know they cant invade our technology is to strong! Use the force, lots of force!

2011 is supposed to be a solar max year so thats a very good possibility and can do the same thing a EMP! Get SPF 2000 you'll need it!

It can happen anyday now terrorist been saying they are going to hit us again since 2001, tick tock!

What no thin mints, where's my gun!

Our economy is going down the flusher as we type, Iran is up to its shenanigans and wont quite with the uranium shit so that means somethings going to go down. I reckon we will see soon enough, cause this Shit thats about to hit the fan is knocking on the door!

[soberups]

Israel is going to take matters into their own hands and destroy Irans nuclear facilities....with nukes of their own. There is no other way they can do it. We will probably get dragged into it. Iran will respond by blocking the Strait of Hormuz. Gas goes to $12 a gallon and all hell breaks loose.

[insight]

[FONT="Arial"] Can you imagine if by using this technology,
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002975.html
the "New Jerusalem", Messiah, or "CHRIST" were to magicly appear in the sky, what that would do? Especially, in the Middle East.

Recently, the Pope made an announcement about UFO's and shortly afterwards the British Government opened sealed records on the subject. I kinda believe part of all this, will be a "fake" UFO attack.

[onebigelf]

I say the dollar goes to hell and a total economic collapse happens, causing the .gov to declare marital law. Please excuse my craptastic grammer and spelling.


I agree. Either the dollar plunges and the economy folds, or something related to the upcoming presidential election. Riots after the Obamanation wins, Riots after the Obamanation loses, Riots after the Obamanation is assasinated, Riots after an ATTEMPTED assasination, etc.

John

[Nordic]

I agree. Either the dollar plunges and the economy folds, or something related to the upcoming presidential election. Riots after the Obamanation wins, Riots after the Obamanation loses, Riots after the Obamanation is assasinated, Riots after an ATTEMPTED assasination, etc.

John

The real question is if blacks riot over anything Obama related will whites come together to stand against them or will we fall divided? Has diversity ingrained itself so deeply in us that when they gain strength by coming together will we stay separated?

I'm not trying to promote racism but it is a real force that continues to exist and it is not as white on black as the media portrays. Blacks will band together by race but will whites come together to save themselves?

[Airec]

the dollar isn't worth the paper its printed on. People are stealing anything they can get there hands on to make a dollar. When we fall deeper and deeper into this economical cycle we have entered what will people resort to. If they will steal your catalytic convertor take make a dollar they will surely still your stock pile of food, guns, fuel and ammo to feed and protect their love ones and themselves. Even if that means hurting or killing you.

The fact is, we the people who prepare are the minority. This will be a vicious war we will all have to fight. It will be a sad day when you have to kill a man who is trying to feed his family so that you will be able to continue to feed yours. It will not just be the gangs of thugs we will be up against.

-- Airec

[Ltlabner]

I had a number of scenarios in mind a few months ago.

Looks like circumstances are focusing us towards finacial colapse. The bleeding hearts will demand continued bailouts of the idiots who took out mortgages they couldn't afford. Between FDIC, Fannie Mae, Fannie Mac and likely bailouts of other large banks and mortgage companies the Government will struggle to keep things going. Especially combined with the continued costs of Iraq, Social Security, Medicare and the billions and billions of give-aways.

We'll likely struggle along teetering on the edge until Obama takes office and starts giving away the store.

Once interest rates climb, inflation sores and we enter a true depression our enemies in China and elsewhere will pull their support by dumping their dollar reserves and refusing to purchase any more T-bills. Suddenly the house of cards Washington has built will come crashing down. In the 1930's the Federal Governement was able to save the day by pumping cash into the economy and "creating" jobs. In the 2000's the Federal Government will be the source of the problem and the ultimate downfall of the country.

Of corse Obama and the Libs will be in secret glee as they'd love to knock America down to the level of the worst 4th world country. It's just not fair that America has had it so good and if we lived in caves the Libs wouldn't be so guilty.

The best case scenario is that the economy "re-sets" itself to more of a 1950's type setup. The worst case is total economic colapse and chaos. The likely case is more of a 1930's depression with 21st century twists.

[Alredneck]

No the GOVT saves the day by combining economies at the last minute, ( enter stage right ) the North American Union, since the dollars been devalued the combination of currencies and investments from the European Union will save the day, at the cost of all your personal freedom! Its already been planed, this is happening for a reason, ( look at who buys all our debts, china and europe ) NAFTA is already in place to continue the flow of goods without any hicups and will be easier than it is today. This sucks!

[Fontaine]

here's a list of what I think would cause SHTF

1.A viral pandemic such as avian flu
2.Mexican militants trying to reclaim the southwest, and causing a civil war
3.The yellowstone supervolcano erupts and causes massive damage

The third scenario is the scariest in my opinion.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me]

I can't guess the means that will cause the SHTF scenario, there are so many things that could happen:

large scale terrorist attack with WMD: think New York, DC, LA nuked simultaineously. This would likely lead to the public freaking the f out and looking to the nanny state for protection. Unfortunately the state is not our mommy, and the only protection it can offer is martial law.

or it could be martial law enacted because of nationwide mayhem due to an economic crash

Regardless I am preparing for the scenario where I have to defend my family from people fleeing the cities, as well as the local scumbags who will no doubt revel in the ensuing calamity. I live in a rural area, but I am within 100 miles of 3 large cities.

I am not afraid of the local law around here. In a SHTF scenario these guys are going to be in their houses protecting their own families.

I live in a food producing area. Many of my neighbors have cattle and chickens, and almost everyone knows how to grow food. I honestly think my biggest concerns are going to be protecting my family/crops/livestock from thieves, as well as freeloading relatives. I have good neighbors, and I don't forsee any circumstances that would prevent us from forming our own economy based on bartering. I also think we would be able to form into a mini community that writes and enforces its own laws, help school the children and so forth.

Obviously the only thing that will prevent us from thriving will be the government when it comes in and attempts to "protect us" from ourselves, but I don't see us being high on their priority list. Hopefully by then an organized resistance will have been established.

[Prepper]

+1 on the terrorist attack on a major city(ies).

I am also preparing for global economic collapse, civil unrest and martial law. If the US goes down, so does everyone else.

[hitech_hick]

+1 on the terrorist attack on a major city(ies).

I am also preparing for global economic collapse, civil unrest and martial law. If the US goes down, so does everyone else.

I have to agree on this one, we aren't the only country hurting from the high oil prices.


hick