Dirty Bomb Scenario

[DirtPirate]

(It's been rumoured that some terrorists have been able to obtain the materials needed to make an effective dirt bomb. With that in mind...I present this scenario.)

You've thought ahead, bought a home in the country and are still commuting 50 miles into the city to get everything paid for ASAP. (within 7-10 years, house, land and debt)

You have preps at home...and a BOB in your 2wd pickup truck.

There is a terrorist attack with a dirty bomb at a strategic target (for a terrorist)...an amusement park about 10 miles from your work location. There are a significant number of casualties, there is panic in the streets, the roadways are jammed!

People that are dumb enough to wander on foot into the roadways are being run over by the stampeding herd of moronic sheeple...looting has begun from sheer panic...

The building you work in has a reinforced concrete roof and even though the prevailing winds have NOT yet brought the fallout to your immediate area...the "experts" are saying that the building will provide sufficient fallout protection and the company is bringing in it's own private security force to keep the potentially marauding masses from breaching the building.
You of course are strongly encouraged to stay (unarmed and at the mercy of others) and the Emergency Management Agency in the county where you work is considering establishing a localized form of Marshall Law due to the sudden and violent reaction that the sheeple have had to this incident.


Do you stay? If so...how do you protect yourself and your interests?

Do you head for home? (which is in an unaffected area...and since the prevailing winds do not typically blow from where the attack occured towards your home...should remain unaffected by the fallout.)

How do you get there? I know most will have planned various routes to take...but coming from a Metropolitan downtown area...it will be difficult travelling for awhile...especially since violence is rampant in the immediate area and the traffic is backed up to high heaven with vandalized and burning wrecks blocking many of the main and some not so main arteries.)

Me...I'd like to have a capable 4x4 vehicle...to be able to make my way around some of the natural and man made obstacles...but of course it is not economically feasible to drive such a beast because:
a. You do not own such an animal already...(economical and capable)
b. You cannot afford to buy said beast...even if such a thing existed.

So...you are driving the most economical and dependable vehicle you have.


So...what would YOU do?

[Superman]

If I were you I'd swap rigs with my wife for the daily commute...she works MUCH closer to home and doesn't need the 4wd to make it. You on the other hand could use said 4wd to make your way home...or at least far enough away to avoid the hysteria. I say this because I am vaguely aware of your vehicular situation.

On a more general note. Stay put. If you know you are safe from fallout...call the family and let them know you are safe. Make certain they get home and stay put until you say otherwise as you are close enough to 'ground zero' to give them real info without them having to see it on CommunistNewsNetwork. Then when the hysteria dies out...and fallout is less of or a non-issue..haul ass for home.

UNLESS you know a route you can go that your 2wd rig can run, and not enough people will be on it to do you harm. Then BO of work so you can BI to your home.


BTW...noob talking...what is a 'dirt bomb'??

[DirtPirate]

If I were you I'd swap rigs with my wife for the daily commute...she works MUCH closer to home and doesn't need the 4wd to make it. You on the other hand could use said 4wd to make your way home...or at least far enough away to avoid the hysteria. I say this because I am vaguely aware of your vehicular situation.

On a more general note. Stay put. If you know you are safe from fallout...call the family and let them know you are safe. Make certain they get home and stay put until you say otherwise as you are close enough to 'ground zero' to give them real info without them having to see it on CommunistNewsNetwork. Then when the hysteria dies out...and fallout is less of or a non-issue..haul ass for home.

UNLESS you know a route you can go that your 2wd rig can run, and not enough people will be on it to do you harm. Then BO of work so you can BI to your home.


BTW...noob talking...what is a 'dirt bomb'??


Dirty Bomb.

Traditional explosives laced with radioactive material. A more likely scenario than the terrorists managing to come up with an actual working nuclear device. Can be quite lethal within a certain range...and then the radioactive material is a concern because of fallout.

Think about how terrorists operate. They would attack a high profile target, with a lot of potential civilian casualties. That would ensure the panic factor...and then with radioactive material...it would secure the terror factor within the civilian and emergency management community because of the "uncertainty" and fear with regards to the lack of common knowledge about fallout.

The reason I can't drive the cow-Jeep is because of fuel economy. My truck gets 40% better fuel economy than the Cow....and all in all is more reliable. With gas at $3.00 a gallon and being predicted to be at $4.00 a gallon within 2 months...I just cannot afford to run it...if I could...I would consider running my CJ. (14 mpg) :|

When I said and economical/capable rig...I meant something like a small 4x4 SUV that was fairly capable. Able to handle rugged terrain and inclines...a Samurai or a stock Cherokee (still iffy fuel economy)...a Liberty or some such thing.

I know what yugoshooter will say...lift a SUBARU! ;)

[yugoshooter]

Dirty bomb. Radiation bomb. Made from used nuclear matariel from Xray macines and stuff like that. If I could I would swipe a dirt bike and head off road or railroad trucks. Wait for panic to die a little and get dirt bike if possible. I would not stay un armed and under control of other people. :freedom:

[slingshot]

I am security at my workplace, so I'm pretty well stuck there until the incident blows on by. The people at work know me & trust me being armed, so no problem there. My wife will be fine at home - redhead & natural born cold stone killer, who shows absolutely no mercy, and she has my daughter with the SKS to back her up.

[chicom]

I am going to have to disent here.

Get the hell out. Do not stay. You got a pickup right? Chain a bicycle to the bed. Get on that sucker and pedal your ass out of there. You have a cell phone? Use it and call home for an extraction at a predetermined safe area. Do not remain in the target zone and trust someone else to look after you.

If there is chaos in the streets, you should have a piece anyway, use it if necessary.

Plan for the contingency, Plan your egress, plan for alternate routes, plan for rally points and alternates, plan for hazards, just plan.

[DirtPirate]

I tend to agree with chicom...and actually I would likely BO rather quickly in a situation like this...so would likely be out of the affected area before it got too bad...

But...worse comes to worse...I was also considering "borrowing" something similar to this from my company...though I guess it could technically be considered "stealing".... :shock: ;)

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I think I could carry all the stuff from my truck...and plow through quite a few obstacles... :D

[slingshot]

You're saving the company equipment from being ravaged by the looters, as chaos descended onto the urban area, you did your best to preserve company assets, risking great personal harm. Who said anything about stealing or borrowing? Just a matter of perspective.

[DirtPirate]

You're saving the company equipment from being ravaged by the looters, as chaos descended onto the urban area, you did your best to preserve company assets, risking great personal harm. Who said anything about stealing or borrowing? Just a matter of perspective.
Course...I'd have to leave my personal vehicle there....exposed... :?

[Bulk]

On the downside to the large vehicle, it could possibly attract law enforcement attention if it were in the least bit similar to trucks used by the group that detonated the dirty bomb, provided they used a vehicle delivery system.

Other than that, I agree. I see you as saving company property, risking your own butt to protect company assets. Good for you! Promotion! :)

[DirtPirate]

More'n likley....it'd look very discreet...like one of these... ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/floridajeepers/Misc/TruckLogo.jpg

[Ciggy322]

I've been up a mountain in the worst roads I've ever seen, muddy and rocky, in a 2wd Peugeot. Long as you don't high-center and can get some tree branches wedged in there for mud holes, you can stay mobile. Ordinary driving where you're trying to be gentle to the vehicle and afraid to get a few scratches on it, will make just about any vehicle prohibitive to real SHTF driving, BUT... SHTF driving is not ordinary driving.

One thing I like about the places I both live and work is that the options for back-roads are just about endless. Highways? Schmiways. I can go south, west, and south-east without ever going nearer to the city, and to get north or north-east I know bypass roads where I can circle around and get going in that direction, if need be.

One thing I will admit is that the BoB in my 2wd SUV is rather sparse, just the bare necessities for a bare-bones survival bugout to where I'd be just slightly better equipped than Bear Grylls on "Man Vs. Wild", but part of my planning is to either kit up from a storage unit I use, if I can get to it, OR, do some "field requisitions" along the way if the situation allows. I mainly just don't want to monopolize all of the cargo area of my vehicle for SHTF since there are other options.

[MOlivo]

Id high tail it out of there and make it back home. Dont care what I had to do to do it. You may be safe my fallout in the building, but theres nothing saying your safe from mass hysteria in a situation like that. Worse came to worse you could hoof it to less crowded roads and "borrow" a vehicle ;)

[alpmco]

You need to plan in advance for either situation of bugging out or staying put.
You might want to cultivate a few friends that live along your escape route or the general area of your work location. People you could depend on to take you in if your bug out goes south. Someone that might be able to arm you or supply alternate / more capable transportation.
As to mode of transportation ... I think a good dirt bike / Enduro type would be able to get you past obstacles that would stop or severely slow a 4WD.
I liked the train track scenario, there is just enough right of way on the tracks for motorcycle passage. Bridges and overpasses may be a test of riding skill but doable. Lets see ... the Florida Central RR goes from Orlando to Apopka and beyond to Taveries and almost to Umatilla. CSX tracks go from Orl to WP to Sanford and points north but you probably would not get across the St Johns since the bridge is usually up. There are the rails to trails corridors you can take advantage of too.
You could also get a job outside the "Big" city that is closer to home.

[DirtPirate]

You need to plan in advance for either situation of bugging out or staying put.
You might want to cultivate a few friends that live along your escape route or the general area of your work location. People you could depend on to take you in if your bug out goes south. Someone that might be able to arm you or supply alternate / more capable transportation.
As to mode of transportation ... I think a good dirt bike / Enduro type would be able to get you past obstacles that would stop or severely slow a 4WD.
I liked the train track scenario, there is just enough right of way on the tracks for motorcycle passage. Bridges and overpasses may be a test of riding skill but doable. Lets see ... the Florida Central RR goes from Orlando to Apopka and beyond to Taveries and almost to Umatilla. CSX tracks go from Orl to WP to Sanford and points north but you probably would not get across the St Johns since the bridge is usually up. There are the rails to trails corridors you can take advantage of too.
You could also get a job outside the "Big" city that is closer to home.


I guess if I was staying...I'd have to come see you... ;)

But...since I am no longer working in the metro area...I guess the scenario doesn't apply to me right now... :)

[alpmco]

I wasn't sure you were you until you posted those truck photos.
Yeah, always a good idea to have some dependable buddies along the way. I'd let you trade out your truck for a Jeep :rofl:
Actually, after going to River Rock Memorial Day weekend I have discovered the old Jeep is more capable than I realized. Still, I think in this situation a dual sport type motorcycle would be a better choice. I still like that diesel multi fuel bike you posted a year or two back on FJOA. Lots of restaurants around here to get oil from to make biodiesel and at 110 mpg ...
:lol:

[DirtPirate]

I still like that diesel multi fuel bike you posted a year or two back on FJOA. Lots of restaurants around here to get oil from to make biodiesel and at 110 mpg ...
:lol:

Oh hell yeah! :)

Click on the pic to go to the site...
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[alpmco]

Did you see the notice on their website?
"Due to increased production requirements for our military motorcycles, HDTUSA has had to delay production of our commerical models."

I wonder if the M1030M1 JP8/Diesel Military Motorcycle is available to the public? This model says it will run on Kerosene JP8 in addition to Diesel and Biodiesel. I thought any diesel would run on JP8. What about the high sulphur like what the farm equipment uses?
I figure because of the number of gas and gas hybrids that after awhile the gas will be gone but diesel will still be available because there are not that many diesel powered vehicles other than trucks, buses,trains, farm equipment and jet fuel. Find a derailed locomotive and you could have enough diesel for years!

edit ... Oh ouch! I just found the price on their website ...
PRICE: The Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price for the D650-A1LE Bulldog will be $18,999.00
Maybe I'll go back to thinking about a Honda Rebel

[DirtPirate]

Maybe I'll go back to thinking about a Honda Rebel

:lol:

I know...I have thought that the difference between that and a Kawasaki ($5400-new) (which it's based off of...) could buy me lot's of GAS and the needed supplies to store it! ;)

But still...it IS a diesel motorcycle...how cool is THAT!?

[happyhunter42]

All I've got to say is thank GOD that I don't live in a large metropolitan area. All I have to worry about would be the gas plant outside of town to the northeast of my home.

[DirtPirate]

All I've got to say is thank GOD that I don't live in a large metropolitan area. All I have to worry about would be the gas plant outside of town to the northeast of my home.

That's the thing...I don't live in a metro area...but I was working in one....WAS being the operative word... ;)

[Ltlabner]

Not that this is rocket-scientist level brilliant, but the key to the scenario will be how quickly you can make a decision to act, and how quickly you implement your hastily crafted (or perhaps previously considered) plan.

If you recive news of the attack and make the decision to head out promptly, you may be able to cover a lot of ground before the sheeple begin to run amok. Heck, if done quickly enough, you can sneak out of the building before they force to you stick around "for your own safety".

[Christian for Israel]

if anyone tried to make ME stay somewhere 'for my own safety', i'd pull my pistol and point it at their nose before explaining just WHO'S safety was in question... :lol:

[ak474u]

I have to propose a secondary question on this one... Who says the dirty bomb is the only one the terrorists will be detonating? what if they have another or 3 others? I'd get out. I have the same issue, I am in a heavily populated area at work surrounded by apartments, huge corporate offices, and blocked from westward travel (without a huge detour) by DFW intl. airport (it's larger than Manhattan Island) I would b e travelling Northeast from here, but my secondary location is west. My main concern would be the dense population of the areas I'd need to traverse to get home. Lots of back roads to take but not one is any less populated by businesses/homes/apartments so it'd be a tough trip to go the 14 miles home.

[ZombieHunter_EKY]

Anyone seen the British movie on the subject. 2 is what they had planned.

[medicff0879]

All I've got to say is thank GOD that I don't live in a large metropolitan area. All I have to worry about would be the gas plant outside of town to the northeast of my home.

Well that an if all Al Queda ever decided to attack poor little ole isolated Lubbock out there you would have an influx of folks pooring out on 84 and ravaging everything dry LOL!! Not to mention that medical center has a lab in it, no telling when the govt. might stash and release its secret Zombie forumla on the city!! I think Snyder is about what, 50-60 miles from Lubbock or so? Only been through there about 5 times and the last time was 5 years ago?

[medicff0879]

I have to propose a secondary question on this one... Who says the dirty bomb is the only one the terrorists will be detonating? what if they have another or 3 others? I'd get out. I have the same issue, I am in a heavily populated area at work surrounded by apartments, huge corporate offices, and blocked from westward travel (without a huge detour) by DFW intl. airport (it's larger than Manhattan Island) I would b e travelling Northeast from here, but my secondary location is west. My main concern would be the dense population of the areas I'd need to traverse to get home. Lots of back roads to take but not one is any less populated by businesses/homes/apartments so it'd be a tough trip to go the 14 miles home.

I have often wondered that myself? I work in Arlington and live in N. Ft. Worth 16.2 miles NE. from work traveled on I30, and 820. We plan to go to my dads house out in sticks of East Texas (south of Tyler) but plan to evacuate to the NE in order to just get the hell out of the metroplex by the shortest means necessary. However, then comes my dilema on which way to circle back around to get to East Texas without crossing to close to I35 where it merges in Denton as that would be a nightmare!! No easy way I guess, we would get there eventually God Willing.

[ak474u]

medicff0879 said:

I have often wondered that myself? I work in Arlington and live in N. Ft. Worth 16.2 miles NE. from work traveled on I30, and 820. We plan to go to my dads house out in sticks of East Texas (south of Tyler) but plan to evacuate to the NE in order to just get the hell out of the metroplex by the shortest means necessary. However, then comes my dilema on which way to circle back around to get to East Texas without crossing to close to I35 where it merges in Denton as that would be a nightmare!! No easy way I guess, we would get there eventually God Willing.

from Arlington.... 35 South toward Waco cut across somewhere down near Hillsboro and go east. From N. Fort Worth I'd go 287 N toward OK or 156 thru all of the 1 horse towns all the way to denton just to get the heck outta dodge and find some back roads going east after the 35 merge at denton. Too many helpless lideral college kids to deal with in Denton if SHTF.

[Stainless]

My turn:

If you need to have economical transportation for a long commute, then find a location at work, in the basement storage area, or in a nearby ministorage, to store a cheap, used motor bike/scooter/moped/bicycle. Place a BOB in this location. Have a couple of back-up locations with a used bicycle and small BOB in each location. Used bikes can be bought at a thrift store for less than $50 each. Never rely on one plan. That is why they are called plan A, plan B, etc.

Luckily, we live in a county of only 120,000 people in the whole county and the next two counties are about the same, so this is never a concern and our daily commutes are less than 10 miles.

8)

[DirtPirate]

While the story as a hypothetical is still valid...I simply decided to change my situation...I drive 15 minutes down rural country roads to where I am working now...less $$$$$$ but a better situation... ;)

[medicff0879]

medicff0879 said:

I have often wondered that myself? I work in Arlington and live in N. Ft. Worth 16.2 miles NE. from work traveled on I30, and 820. We plan to go to my dads house out in sticks of East Texas (south of Tyler) but plan to evacuate to the NE in order to just get the hell out of the metroplex by the shortest means necessary. However, then comes my dilema on which way to circle back around to get to East Texas without crossing to close to I35 where it merges in Denton as that would be a nightmare!! No easy way I guess, we would get there eventually God Willing.

from Arlington.... 35 South toward Waco cut across somewhere down near Hillsboro and go east. From N. Fort Worth I'd go 287 N toward OK or 156 thru all of the 1 horse towns all the way to denton just to get the heck outta dodge and find some back roads going east after the 35 merge at denton. Too many helpless lideral college kids to deal with in Denton if SHTF.


That is kind of what I was thinking for the northern route. 35N out of Ft. Worth would be a complete cluster f$%k all the way to Denton and the same all the way to OKC. I figure I would take 287 through Decatur and there is a small FM road that runs NE towards 35, from there is a highway that runs through Sherman to Paris, from there its a straight shot down 271 to Longview. Now, hopefully it would work out that smoothly in the event of SHTF?

[mr slow]

I live near Chicago, and I believe the target would be the airport and downtown because of the lake and stock market being there.The expressways would be packed in minutes. No use trying to get out. I would start by finding a large building ,and get in the center of it quick.Most likely I will be killed so I will throw a SHTF party. You have to die sometime or another. It will be over in seconds. I prefere that than a slow death.Yet again you never know the thinking of some terorist. What if the cities were not there target ? How about a large natural gas field or major water supply or fuel storage area . How about some shipping ports or transportation routes to stop food supply and to slow down our military. The flood of people leaving a city would all he heading out into areas with small population with the same ideas. The only things they may grab will be there guns and ammo.If only a couple hundred thousand get out, that is a lot of armed people heading toward your bugout areas. Remember if they get out, they are most likely people of power ,and have big time connections, with lots of money.Sooner or later they will take over as alway by making new rules and enforcing there laws that work out for them.

[Father Time]

In the event of a "dirty bomb" the best thing to do would be to.... BUG IN!!
I know it sounds crazy but hear me out (I learned about them in my Hazmat Class) A dirty bomb will throw out radioactive material that CAN contaminate you and kill you. But it will not cause fallout. The fallout people think of and are frightened by is only caused by the real deal nukes. A true thermonuclear device causes increadable heat (hotter than the surface of the sun) and a massive pressure wave. The pressure wave first blast outward and then sucks back in kind of like a drop in a pond the water, the water (or in this case air) rushes back in to fill the void. The pressure wave carries material like dust and dirt back into the blast zone and the heated air rises (due to convection) carrying the material upward into the atmosphere where it is dispersed by the wind. That is true "fallout". A dirty bomb can irradiate material but lacks the ability to case true fallout, this means that any dirty bomb will actualy be a very local event and can only disperse radioactive material as far as the inital bomb blast can throw it.

[mr slow]

A dirty bomb is one situation I plan on bugging out if I can.

[Alredneck]

Get the hell out of dodge, one thing yall are not relizing is the shock and awe effect. When this thing goes off people wont begin looting for sometime afterward, streets will be crowded and jammed but not cause of fighting but to see the pretty mushroom cloud ( or whatever) go up ( AWEEEEE!!) then the shock wave hit them or depending how close they are to it the order it comes in. So if you are a level headed guy and have planed for alien attacks to zombie invasions, then this should be no sweat! Second the dust stirred up will have radioactive material in it thats why you want to be up wind still. If all you have is a small 2wd truck to get out in then consider putting a small winch on it to extract it if it gets stuck and some go all terrain tires. A winch behind the bumper wont draw attention and neither will the tires hillbilly. Proof of concept is look at Sept 11th all those people standing around taking pics of the towers, some of the best news footage came from civilians not reporters on the scene. Nobody has seen a dirty bomb go up so when it does how will they know thats what it is? It looks like a big bomb going off. Ewww awwwww!!!! Pretty!!! Thats when you should be sneaking out the back!

[Father Time]

"dirty bombs" DON"T PRODUCE MUSHROOM CLOUDS...

Do youself a favor and plan on bugging in... A dirty bomb is just a conventional explosive device with radioactive material. All it does is fling small bits of radiactive material into the surounding area and thats it, No thermonuclear explosion or fallout of any kind.
(see my above post)

[Dagger]

a large enough dirty bomb might creat a ploom like this

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2008/08/10/fireball-nazarenko.jpg

but not a true mushroom cloud

[mndless]

Anybody have information on the effective range of a typical dirty nuke? How far away do you have to be, ignoring the wind for a moment, before you are safe to "bug in?"

2 mile circle? 5 mile circle?

[Dagger]

i don't think there is a "typical" dirty bomb as they are essentially IEDs (improvised explosive device) with radiactive material packed around them instead of shrapnel

[Herbie Pup]

We'll all have to make the call to leave or not when it happens. I just hope the communication systems to the population is accurate concerning the range and destructive nature of the bomb.

[gatorboi117]

I would NOT stay. The longer you are at the mercy of others, the greater chance you have of being killed.
I would get in my car and drive, as far as possible, stopping for nothing. If I couldn't, I'd just hoof it, but be weary of people and cars. :shtf:

[Draven Azropht]

At 50 miles from home; its a long walk even if I make it half way in the POV. Otherwise, terrain dictates if I can go through woods or over a mountain on foot and avoid stupid people and roads and cut my travel time down... Maybe.

Otherwise, your best bet is to just sit tight, fall out can fly faster then you can run and the real threat is the panic of the unprepared masses. Course that said, depending on the people I with & how they react I might leave flat out. Histircal people are dangerious and so are histerical people in an inclosed space.

[gatorboi117]

True that. I can't stand being around people in panic. Generally, I'm the one to not panic. Everyone going crazy would just get on my nerves. I'd rather walk for a day than be trapped for days with a bunch of people going crazy, and some seeing me as a threat.

[guntotinguy]

I would get out ASAP...my 4x4 truck would get through and yes I am armed (always).One advantage...I work a few miles from the house and so does my wife (actually she is a few miles farther)but I would NOT just sit and leave my life chances to a bunch of folks who hadnt planned for such an occasion or in any state of panic,know not what they/would do.


Once home..inside tarps go to cover windows and the code words between the wife and I go into immediate effect...(whether together or separate)...all firearms are reachable,mags and ammo available...and then a waiting game!

Being in a town where this 'senario' is a high possibility,we conversed about this many times and worked out practical SHTF methods for that proverbial ...just in case!

:shooting:

[Father Time]

Draven, "dirty bombs" don't cause fallout they don't have the power to. Only a true thermonuclear device causes fallout.

Taking your chances bugging out in the panic after a dirty bomb is very risky at best.

[Draven Azropht]

Dirty bombs blow-up and spread eradiated material which is basically what fall out is, so I'll call it fall-out, but you are still technically correct since there is no nuclear blast. As for being very risky its no more a risk of being locked up with panicing people especially when armed guards come out. All I need is a guy who has a gun and is freaking out and thinks he is in charge or worse. So like I said, depending on how people are reacting I'm staying put until I think its safer to be outside taking my chances on going home.

Its like asking if a dirty bomb exploded and you were away from home and the people your location tells you to stay put but someone has a gun and appears to be emotionally distressed, would you stay or go? The risk is easy to wiegh its picking the right answer thats hard; you'll only get one chance to get it right...

[Father Time]

I guess I should clarify what I ment. What I should have said was stay at HOME. Of course if you in a public location you must weigh your options based on where you are.

[mr slow]

This could happen in my nearby city. The downtown area or the Ohare airport would most likely be there target. If it is by the airport I'm dead. Now ,let say it was in the heart of Downtown. I would be over 25 miles away. I would have to leave to escape fallout.

I would head to a hotel by the airport with my credit cards. I would request a room in the center of the building. Once inside with my family I would seal the room. All my bugout bags are ready for a few days surivival. The city is now shot and there would be no reason to return other than to pickup my gear I had to leave behind.

I left my house in a hurry with only bugout bags and a few weapons. With 200 miles an hour winds and fire everywhere I doubt there be anything to return to

. I have my motorhome in a safe area and we could just drive to it in a few hours. My brother is in San diego and is like minded. One of my best buddies is in West Virginia and has a few hundred acres. I have other buddies near the Canada border that would love to have my group come up and help them

.A lot of my supplies would of been destroyed since my plans are setup for a economical collaspe, not for a nuke. At this point we are a live, but a drain on other peoples resources.

We would have a month or two of food and our weapons. Our fuel was most likely in tack with the motorhome so we could make it across the country still. We would gather up the group and see what is left of our resources. We would have plenty of money and creditcards. All this would depend on others excepting our money, so we could resupply. My buddies who collect gold would be busting that shit out if need be.

Our closest bugout location is in WI. and that is 5 hours away. I know we could hold up there until we get our shit together.We have two guys in my group that are experts in comunication from the army and have equiptment.We have friends that have large farms up and running with live stock. There would be a lot of ifs out there.

[gatorboi117]

Umm, Mr. Slow: 200 mph winds and fires everywhere are the result of a nuclear bomb, not a dirty bomb.