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Howlingwolf
08-16-2008, 11:15 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2566005/Russia-threatens-nuclear-attack-on-Poland-over-US-missile-shield-deal.html

Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal


Russia threatened a nuclear strike against Poland after a landmark deal to site American global anti-missile shields in the country.

Last Updated: 8:41PM BST 15 Aug 2008

Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn: Russia's nuclear rethoric marks an intense new phase in the war of words over Georgia

Only 24 hours after the weapons agreement was signed Russia's deputy chief of staff warned Poland "is exposing itself to a strike 100 per cent".

General Anatoly Nogovitsyn said that any new US assets in Europe could come under Russian nuclear attack with his forces targeting "the allies of countries having nuclear weapons".

He told Russia's Interfax news agency: "By hosting these, Poland is making itself a target. This is 100 per cent certain. It becomes a target for attack. Such targets are destroyed as a first priority."

Russia's nuclear rhetoric marks an intense new phase in the war of words over Georgia. The Caucasus conflict has spiralled into a Cold War style confrontation between Moscow and Washington in less than a week.

The stand off between the two cold War powers was underlined by Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, who dismissed US claims that the silo is a deterrent against 'rogue states' like Iran as "a fairy tale". He told reporters at the Black Sea resort of Sochi: "The deployment of new missile defence facilities in Europe is aimed against the Russian Federation."

President George W. Bush in a brief but pointed statement earlier in the day said: "The Cold War is over… Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century."

Mr Bush, who is demanding an immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia now that that a ceasefire deal has been signed, added: "Only Russia can decide whether it will now put itself back on the path of responsible nations or continue to pursue a policy that promises only confrontation and isolation,"

Russia's deteriorating relationship with the West was strained further when US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday visited Georgian capital Tbilisi and concluded a ceasefire deal with Russia. It was the highest profile gesture of American political support for Georgia's embattled government since the conflict began.

Echoing President Bush's demands for a withdrawal from Georgia, she evoked the Soviet-led invasion of Czechoslovakia 40 years ago. "Russian forces need to leave Georgia at once. This is no longer 1968,"she said.

Mikheil Saakashvili, the Georgian president, who was standing next to Miss Rice, said: "We were screaming to the world that Russia was going to do this...We are looking evil directly in the eye - this evil is very dangerous not only for us but for everybody."

Even as he was speaking a convoy of 17 Russian armoured personnel carriers was spotted advancing along the main highway to within 34 miles of the Georgian capital Tblisi, their deepest move yet inside the country.

The Foreign Office also condemned Russia. A spokesman said: "Threats such as these against our EU and Nato Allies are completely unacceptable and unhelpful, especially at the present time''.

The criticism was echoed by MPs, who warned of the potential for a major escalation in the diplomatic crisis.

But there was no word from either Gordon Brown or David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, on the nuclear issue, who were earlier both criticised for not speaking out sooner over the situation in Georgia.

David Cameron, the Tory leader, will today seize the initiative by travel to Georgia, where he is expected to warn Russia to respect its neighbour's territorial integrity.

Poland and the United States reached the agreement, after 18 months of negotiation, on siting 10 interceptor missiles capable of destroying incoming long-range ballistic missiles. Washington says the system, which would be installed by 2012, is designed to protect the US and its allies from "rogue states" such as Iran. The threat of nuclear reprisals were motivated by Moscow's fears the missile shield makes Russia a target of the United States.

Radek Sikorski, the Polish foreign minister, told The Daily Telegraph the new US missile shield deal, and its timing, was unrelated to Georgia. "It [the deal] is a coincidence," he said. "Georgia made a dramatic backdrop to it, but the timing had nothing to do with Georgia. We have offered Russia the right to inspect at any time. It only has the capabilities we say it does, which is to say, nothing to do with Russia."

Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, hinted that the US had pledged to back Warsaw in the event of Russian aggression towards Poland. He said that he only agreed to host the US defence shield on the condition that the US agreed to help augment Poland's defences with Patriot missiles, which are intended to ward off any threat from Russia. "We have crossed the Rubicon," he said. :apc:

yugoshooter
08-17-2008, 08:39 AM
I always said after the USSR fell that we shouldn't trust Russia.

07hemi4me
08-17-2008, 11:17 AM
Well Pres. Bush is not helping our relationship with Russia, or anyone for that matter.

We should not be spending our $ money $ on a shield for Europe, we have spent enough money their the past 60 + years. It is well past time the the Europeans spend their own money on THEIR defense.

We can not support and pay for the whole worlds defense, we are not the police force of the world.

insight
08-17-2008, 08:14 PM
Well Pres. Bush is not helping our relationship with Russia, or anyone for that matter.

We should not be spending our $ money $ on a shield for Europe, we have spent enough money their the past 60 + years. It is well past time the the Europeans spend their own money on THEIR defense.

We can not support and pay for the whole worlds defense, we are not the police force of the world.

I agree 100%. The US has no business doing this. They won't even defend OUR borders. They had no way to legitimately drag us into a war with Iran, and they knew Russia would come to their defense. This way, the US will be justified because all heck is breaking loose. Thanks Bush.

How in the world do these people sleep at night?

stillamarine
08-17-2008, 08:50 PM
putting those missiles in Poland does protect us...they are designed to intercept long range missiles.

madmyk
08-18-2008, 11:41 AM
I always said after the USSR fell that we shouldn't trust Russia.AMEN!





I agree 100%. The US has no business doing this. They won't even defend OUR borders. They had no way to legitimately drag us into a war with Iran, and they knew Russia would come to their defense. This way, the US will be justified because all heck is breaking loose. Thanks Bush.

How in the world do these people sleep at night? as the saying goes "ignorance is bliss"




putting those missiles in Poland does protect us...they are designed to intercept long range missiles.This is true, but at what cost. We are already spread too thin both militarily and financially. The Russian economy has boomed since the fall of the USSR, by both legal and illegal means. They have become a relatively wealthy nation in a short time. We have a real issue to consider. We are broke and on the verge of true economic collapse. Russia is by no means rich, but on the way there. I think it is (well past) time we started focusing on limitting the number of nations we piss off (especially on a nuclear level) and focus on fixing things here. I know, won't happen.
I have seen many posts here and elsewhere where people think if our economy tanks the world will follow. I think there are too many "proud" Americans. I think the world at large would deal with a speed bump economically if/when we fail. I will put on my flame suit and say: I honestly do not think we are near the "superpower" we want people to think, and they know it too. Our system is corrupt. Our econmy is toast. I feel we are being played by the forces that hate us, and we are falling hook line and sinker.

merc40
08-21-2008, 08:36 PM
If we are not the light and the beacon who will fill the void?

MOlivo
08-23-2008, 12:50 PM
Everyones pissed off that Russia invaded Georgia and won'[t leave after a few weeks...We invaded Iraq HOW many years ago?

Alredneck
08-24-2008, 06:37 AM
Comparing us invading Iraq to Russia goin into Georgia is like comparing apples and pumpkins, its way different politics and intended outcomes will be vastly different as well. .02

alpmco
08-25-2008, 12:17 PM
I'm not pissed. I think Georgia asked for it. Now how long it is taking to withdrawal? IDK more there than I know about.

stockingup
08-30-2008, 09:01 AM
Comparing us invading Iraq to Russia goin into Georgia is like comparing apples and pumpkins, its way different politics and intended outcomes will be vastly different as well. .02

Agreed the USA invading Iraq was to secure us a steady stream of oil to fill our tanks and to give us a base of operations in the middle east.
The Russian invasion of Georgia was to show the USA that Russia still has a formidable military.Nothing more than posturing.

alpmco
08-31-2008, 09:40 PM
Agreed the USA invading Iraq was to secure us a steady stream of oil to fill our tanks and to give us a base of operations in the middle east.
The Russian invasion of Georgia was to show the USA that Russia still has a formidable military.Nothing more than posturing.
I disagree with point #1 above but agree with #2 the base of operations.
Yeah, a real formidable military ... ??? I think Mexico's military is more capable than Georgia. Would the USA look tough if it attacked Mexico? I still think Georgia put their own head in that noose.

Elza
09-08-2008, 01:25 PM
President George W. Bush in a brief but pointed statement earlier in the day said: "The Cold War is over… Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century." For anyone that believes that I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell to them.