NWO and FEMA camps and the bible

[techcom_dude]

I don't want to offend anybody here that is not my intent.

I am speaking as a christian here

It says in the bible that Christians will be hated and attacked and brought before people that are in power etc etc

Well what if all these talks about FEMA camps and massive graves are people getting ready to strike on christians?. Are we heading twords a major attack on christians?

I believe that the armies of darkness are on the move and if we are in the last days we can expect a major attack on christians.

Does it ever talk about a country like the US in revelations? I don't think it does, so do we assume that the US has to be destroyed in order for the end of days to come?

[chicom]

Maybe, maybe not.

When you speak of Christians, are you talking about all the sects or the secret handshake, wink and a nudge Christians? If the former is the case, than that would comprise about 80-85% of the nation's population. That's a whole lot of people to make disappear.

When folks say Christian, I think of:

Catholics

Eastern Orthodox/Greek Orthodox/Coptic

Episcopalians

Lutherans

Presbyterians

Methodists

Baptists

Pentecostals

Seventh Day Adventists

Assemblies of God

Congregationalists

Dutch Reformed/ Calvinists

Amish/Mennonites

Jehovah Witnesses

LDS/Mormon

And many more. Sorry if I left anyone out. That be a boatload of people.

So please explain who is specifically targeted and help me understand why. It's not like we are a brand new faith during the Roman Empire, it's a pretty large but disparate community. We all have basically minor doctrinal differences that sets us apart. Not much to prevent the lot of us from sharing dogs and chips at an afternoon barbeque.

[alpmco]

I remember back in grade school ... I went to a Seventh Day Adventist school ... they talked about revelations ... I remember something about a great nation rising out of the sea with two horns.
It was implied that was the USA ... I guess Maine and Florida are the horns?

[Alredneck]

Isnt the new babylon supose to be the US

and when they refer to the great eagle isnt that the US

[alpmco]

Back 60 years ago the great eagle was Nazi Germany. I guess it depends on the times.

[chicom]

Back 60 years ago the great eagle was Nazi Germany. I guess it depends on the times.


Or possibly France of the early 19th century.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa284/chicom70/captured6.jpg

[Christian for Israel]

it's not 'Revelations', it's Revelation. as for the US, australia isn't mentioned either, nor is canada. does that mean that every country not specifically mentioned will be destroyed? unlikely. the book of Revelation is extremely hard to understand, especially without a working knowledge of the whole bible. for example, there's a lot of end times scripture in Ezekiel, Daniel and other books, all of which are referenced in Revelation. without knowing them the references in Revelation are impossible to understand.

also, no prophecy in the bible was intended to be used to predict the future. in fact, predicting future events is specifically mentioned in scripture...it's called divination (witchcraft) and is a sin. instead, prophecies are meant to let christians know where they presently are in history, to encourage believers that everything is going as God planned. consider the prophecies concerning the birth of the Christ. trying to decipher all of them and come up with THE savior before hand would be pointless...but when He DID appear, the prophecies PROVED who He was for anyone willing to look for the truth.

so, are we in the end times? from what i can see the best answer is...not quite yet. yes things are trending in that direction and we may indeed be close, but several scriptures must be fulfilled first, including a great earthquake in Israel that moves mountains and islands. until that happens we can't know for sure exactly where we are in time as related to scripture.

[busbybottom]

Amen only the good lord himself knows. stay prepared in the mean time.

[alpmco]

predicting future events is specifically mentioned in scripture...it's called divination (witchcraft) and is a sin.
In my best Month Python impression "How do you tell a witch?"
but several scriptures must be fulfilled first, including a great earthquake in Israel that moves mountains and islands.
I think Iran is working on that one. How many nukes will they need? :scratch:
:shtf:

[mr slow]

The bible said we won't know the day or hour. Isn't the whole world to shake before the final war ?

[Christian for Israel]

that's right mr. slow.

[alpmco]

Let 'er rip ... I'll be on Starbase 7 when that happens!
It's pretty well stocked with #10 cans of beef strokemoff. :lol:
Hope they get the toilet fixed ...

[Idaho Corsair]

also, no prophecy in the bible was intended to be used to predict the future. in fact, predicting future events is specifically mentioned in scripture...it's called divination (witchcraft) and is a sin. instead, prophecies are meant to let christians know where they presently are in history, to encourage believers that everything is going as God planned. consider the prophecies concerning the birth of the Christ. trying to decipher all of them and come up with THE savior before hand would be pointless...but when He DID appear, the prophecies PROVED who He was for anyone willing to look for the truth.


You are right that witchcraft/divination (and astrology to tell the future) are sins like you said... but it's because it was gone about in the wrong WAY, attributing power to the wrong things... not because they're telling the future.

People in the Bible times did read the OT, and were expecting a Messiah (a human who was also God), to come and save them... from their sins. The wise men, the old man Simeon, King David, and many Jews knew that a baby would be born, that He would be both God and Man, and He would die to pay for their sins. Heck, the wise men knew what TIME Christ would be born... and they were most likely taught by Daniel (not directly, cause he lived earlier). They were worshiping correctly. Something that's doubtful if they were sinning through divination. What I'm saying is, it is clear throughout scripture, that prophecy was exactly that... telling what would happen BEFORE it happened, and in such a manner that readers could figure out at least the gist, if not the details of what... and sometimes when. Often times very specifically... the Jews knew that the Messiah would not have any broken bones, knew that Christ would die on a tree (cross), would be scorned by His own people, would die a sinner's death, ... it gets pretty specific. I could go on and on, but while there isn't much left now that predict future events, much of the OT did predict Christ, His life, actions and more. I just wanted to clarify a bit about the nature of biblical prophecy.

[Idaho Corsair]

The bible said we won't know the day or hour. Isn't the whole world to shake before the final war ?
Not the day or hour... but the year and month? I tend to think so, though I myself don't have a good guess... though Jonathan Edwards did have what I believe to be a very biblical/accurate guess.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me]

I don't think that any camps being constructed are being developed especially for Christians. Instead they are being constructed to house anyone who rebels against the coming world system and its leader(s).

That being said, of all groups of people who would be most likely to refuse to submit to a supreme authority other than Jesus Christ? Christians. People who are concerned with only the material aspect of life would be much less likely to defy the system when it would mean physical discomfort.

[insight]

Over the course of history, the same "tricks" of economic manipulation, social liberation, religious/class/racial warfare have been used time after time and produced the same results. It always amounted to the same thing.. reducing people to poverty and a massive transfer of wealth. Hence, the term "history repeats itself."

For example, if you look at the Russian Revolution or Nazi Germany, you'll find there are no differences in the way things were "then" as the are now. The only difference, is technology. In the early 1900's of Russia, homosexuality was rampant, particularly among the rich. They were addressing things like womens rights, religious/racial intolerence. Economically, people had been doing ok.

Throughout history, the same people (world bankers, Rothschild family--Zionist Jews) manipulated events and were responsible for the wars, starvation, slaughter, and fall of every democracy. Naomi Wolfe addressed an aspect of this in this video. (I think someone previously had it posted on here)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

These same people have also been behind the establishment of different countries. Yes, they were behind the Revolutionary War, establishment of the US, and the State of Israel. These Zionist Jews, (for the most part) are not practicing Jews. Orthodox Jews (who follow the teachings of the Torah) have been in the Holy Land for hundreds of years. For the most part, they get along with the Muslims. They also don't believe in Zionism, because the Torah teaches that the Jewish people were to be banished until GOD returned them to the Holy Land. They know these Zionist Jews are not descendants of Isaac, or David, but rather descendants from a tribe of Turks who were practicing pagans. Our BIBLE tells us repeatedly about the Jews.

In conjunction with the fall of these different democracies/wars, and transfers of wealth, people were "waking up" to the realities Zionist Jews.
Repeatedly, over the course of history there were upheavals against the Jewish people. But, it was fought down with "anti-semitism". You would hear the same words you're hearing today. "Elitist, Illuminati, Imperialist, conspiracy theory" But, it was radicalized no body believed it, and innocent people were slaughtered. History separated these events and left out the common denominator of all these tragedies. The money trail.

As with the case of Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin, we now know that Rothschild systematically placed these people into power, financed them, and sacrificed millions of lives to obtain one goal. The State of Israel. After WWII, he had immigration laws reformed so no country would take the Jewish refugees, established the Federal Reserve, (he controlled our Government), and he forced the Holocaust survivors back into the Middle East. In 1910, (before the wars) he was already there in Tel Aviv and created this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_Boulevard

Today AIPAC is the number 1 lobbyist group in Washington. No candidate will be elected unless he kisses up to the Zionist Jews. We have Televangelist telling Millions of Christians that Zionism is "GOD's" will. In the Book of Revelation, it calls these people "false prophets" and tells us there are many "anti-christ" It is also now known that Rothschilds money created TBN, funded Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, John Hagee. Teaching people things like the "rapture and Zionism is "GODs will". Rothschild was behind both the creation of the ACLU, AND National Council of Evangelical Churches. And what the Preaches were doing then, now, and next week, were doing nothing but telling lies to the masses and bringing about what we're now seeing....hatred of Christians and what will be Persecution. Isn't that exactly what the BIBLE says is going to happen?

I just don't understand how Christians can support Zionism, if they have read the BIBLE. I would advise them to carefully consider who they have as a "teacher" and specifically read the BIBLE for themselves. If you read it, this was never GODS plan. He just told us what Satan was going to do. GOD gave us all "free will".

The biggest fraud AND fulfillment of prophesy in the history of mankind is about to take place. We know the military has the capabilities to control the weather. They can also produce earthquakes and famine. Through biological warfare they can create plagues. They're using halograms in their military.

At then end of it though, CHRIST will appear, just like he says he will. People have just gotten so desensitized, they can't comprehend truth from fiction anymore. They also don't realize that Satan has been in control of it all the whole time, even the things they thought were of "GOD". Then again, thats the way CHRIST told us it would be.

[insight]

I'm puzzled by the "Learn Hebrew online" add, then again, I guess I shouldn't be. (Well, it's gone now..lol)

[mr slow]

Jehovah witnesses have a very interesting belief.

[onebigelf]

Are the European Union, the North American Union the first steps toward the regions of revelations, ruled by princes? Is the REAL ID the mark of the beast, required to conduct business? Do you want to risk it?

John

[Shotgun693]

When The Jewish King of Kings returns no stored ammo or freeze dried food will save anyone. You will either be prepared or not.

[yugoshooter]

When The Jewish King of Kings returns no stored ammo or freeze dried food will save anyone. You will either be prepared or not.Very well said.

[Poopeyhead]

Interesting topic. I read Revelation frequently and have read LaHaye's, Hannegref's and Hagee's interpretation of the book. What's interesting is that three Revelation scholars can have three different opinions. I do believe we are in the end times but that the timetable is not known to us. In fact only God knows. Some interesting things I have read are below.:

What The Bible Says

It has been said that it is virtually impossible for anyone to make 11 straight predictions, 2000 years into the future. There is only one chance in 8 x 10 to the 63rd power, or 80 with 63 zeros after it that such a thing could be done. If such a set of predictions existed, it would have to be the Word of God.

To prove the Bible is true and we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years.
Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.
The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here.
Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times. That’s 1 out of 1.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.
Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces. That’s 2 out of 2.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948.
Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland. That’s 3 out of 3.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967.
Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. That’s 4 out of 4.

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled.
Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves Christians will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived. That’s 5 out of 5.

6. The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the
people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:

A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1.

B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.

C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2.

D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.

E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.

F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.

G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?

H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep? Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.

I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21.
Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone. That’s 6 out of 6.

7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true.
Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2002) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over. That’s 7 out of 7.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true.
Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world. That's 8 out of 8.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16.
Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN. That’s 9 out of 9.

10. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 10 out of 10. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago.


I have looked at the above scripture refernces and their is a case to be made that the above is fairly accurate. A bigger question for me (and one that can't be answered) is the pre, mid and post trib return of Christ. If it's mid or post, we will have to survive on our own until Christ's second coming. So preps are still valuable.

Remember. It Wasn't Raining When Noah Built The Ark...

This is a good one too: “A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” Proverbs 22:3:

of course this is all my humble opinion.

Poopeyhead

[MOlivo]

Well written response Poopey:)

[Poopeyhead]

Why ...thank you

[yugoshooter]

Well written response Poopey:)
Very inspirational! Thank you.

[Alredneck]

Well if you look at places throughout the web, there are a lot of folks that believe Jesus will return sometime in 2011

Also I do a lot of research on the Sumerian culture, along with the Mayans, Aztecs, and Assyrians. A lot of these different groups along with others all tell of the same stories throughout history and of things to come even though they are worlds apart and different times apart.

I personally believe something will happen in 2012 ( no not the end of the world either ) I believe according to some of my research ( i am still continueing my efforts to track all sources ) that we just started the 7 years of tribulation, according to the Maya and other cultures we will be in the gallatic center of our galaxy and there will be a alingment of the planets, Astronimers have already shown this will happen. As fact but our unaware of any potential havoc caused by this alingment. Accordingly it will take 6 years from begining to end for this rare occasion to happen. Which put the date at ending sometime in 2015. I believe it actualy is off a couple months and has already started 3 1/2 years before the alignment is goin on now, then the center in 21DEC2012 at 0600 CT then finishes 3 1/2 years later in 2016. If the predictions are right from the various groups then all holy hell has started and will continue to get worse up peaking in 2012, also if Jesus does return in late 2011 to lead the last fight it would be along the same timeline. After the biggest battle ever written about between good and evil the last 3 1/2 years of tribulation will be the rebuilding of the purified new kingdom.

I am trying to explain this the best I can, im not always the best at getting my ideas or beliefs out of my head and out where other people can read or hear about them, I hope yall can kinda understand what I am refering to and get the jist of it all. There is way to much to print in this forum from the info I have gathered so i was trying to hit on key figures only!

[lazycatxd]

Well if you look at places throughout the web, there are a lot of folks that believe Jesus will return sometime in 2011

Also I do a lot of research on the Sumerian culture, along with the Mayans, Aztecs, and Assyrians. A lot of these different groups along with others all tell of the same stories throughout history and of things to come even though they are worlds apart and different times apart.

I personally believe something will happen in 2012 ( no not the end of the world either ) I believe according to some of my research ( i am still continueing my efforts to track all sources ) that we just started the 7 years of tribulation, according to the Maya and other cultures we will be in the gallatic center of our galaxy and there will be a alingment of the planets, Astronimers have already shown this will happen. As fact but our unaware of any potential havoc caused by this alingment. Accordingly it will take 6 years from begining to end for this rare occasion to happen. Which put the date at ending sometime in 2015. I believe it actualy is off a couple months and has already started 3 1/2 years before the alignment is goin on now, then the center in 21DEC2012 at 0600 CT then finishes 3 1/2 years later in 2016. If the predictions are right from the various groups then all holy hell has started and will continue to get worse up peaking in 2012, also if Jesus does return in late 2011 to lead the last fight it would be along the same timeline. After the biggest battle ever written about between good and evil the last 3 1/2 years of tribulation will be the rebuilding of the purified new kingdom.

I am trying to explain this the best I can, im not always the best at getting my ideas or beliefs out of my head and out where other people can read or hear about them, I hope yall can kinda understand what I am refering to and get the jist of it all. There is way to much to print in this forum from the info I have gathered so i was trying to hit on key figures only!

The sun is in a nearly circular orbit around the galactic center. To get here from there in 3 years we would have to travel at 10,000 times the speed of light. The entire solar system. Not taking relativity into account, of course.

Planetary alignments are common through history and have the catastrophic effect of raising the tides by one-hundredth of a millimeter or so......

I believe also the the s will hit the f soon, but not because some semi-civilized early civilization "predicted" it. The signs are there for all to see....

And yes, I am a Christian, but the type who believes that Revelations was a pep talk for the persecuted early Christians.... and that prophecy was fulfilled by the arrival of Christ on earth...

[Alredneck]

Um we have been moving closer to the center for this alingment to happen for like 20,000 some odd years or whatever it is, so yea your right it wont happen in 3 thats why we been continuing for a period of time slowly moving along, i guess you misunderstood me, or i didnt explain it very well ( im bad about that ), you are also correct it will most likeliy be another day like the next just with more to see in the sky at night or some type of eclipse, i was merely refering to it as a special occassion because it only happens very rarily and we are privledged enough to be here for this one ( well hopefully ) But as for predictions it doesnt have to do with just the said groups above alot of groups all over the world believe the same thing or something similar. I reckon we will see when we see!

[shtfmilitia]

New World Order - Guide - For DUMMIES (must see)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TLtGq9Oko0&NR=1

[Mighty Hd]

tagging, good thread.

[58036116]

I grew up in a Lutheran church since I can ever remember and attended school there. Didn't get to public school until 8th grade. My entire family is religious. I can't burst their bubble, so I play along whenever we are together. I honestly feel that religion is a fraud ... the greatest story ever told. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koK1z1YnBIQ)

But I'm glad we live in a country that lets us all believe whatever we want! At least for now ... who knows what this country will be like soon!