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wnn
07-14-2008, 05:10 PM
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/06/03/marines-to-begin-martial-law-training-in-indianapolis/

Marines to begin martial law training in Indianapolis
June 3rd, 2008 | Constitutional Crisis

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By: D. H. Williams @ 9:14 PM - EST

Under the guise of urban warfare training the 26th Expeditionary Unit an elite group of U.S. Marines will conduct a martial law training exercise at 26 “surrendered” locations in central Indiana from June 4th thru the 17th. While state officials and media are doing their best to assure the public that this military takeover of civilian property is somehow a good thing, ignoring the Posse Comitatus Act which fundamentally prohibits these types of exercises. These two weeks of training are also a contradiction of military tradition against deployments among the civilian population dating back to the end of the Civil War. Why then are the citizens of Indianapolis and six other Indiana towns being made to take part in two weeks of patrols and ambushes?
Local news station WTHR 6 reports, “That in the interest of national security the sights and sounds of war will be brought to Indianapolis.” Why do residents of Indianapolis need to learn the sights and sounds of war? Could it be a conditioning process? Considering that numerous urban training environments which exist within military bases in the U. S. and around the globe the explanation of “a need to train in realistic urban zones” is doubtful. More likely the real purpose is to condition the civilian population and military personnel to living under martial law. Too many this hypotheses may sound farfetched, that is until you realize the plans for martial law and the detention of U.S. citizens have already been made. (Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), “Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies,” gives the executive the power to invoke martial law.)

Most Americans are completely unaware of the Continuity of Government Commission created in the fall of 2002 to study and make recommendations for the continuity of government institutions after a catastrophic attack. This commission is made up primarily of professional lobbyists. The plans approved from this commission advocates a constitutional amendment calling for the appointment of individuals to the House of Representatives to fill the seats of dead or incapacitated members, a first in American history. I will say that again: our representative government will cease to exist as individuals to the House of Representatives will be appointed and not elected. An examination of the proposal reveals that it is both unnecessary and dangerous.

Out of the COGC came the National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51. This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of federal government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of federal continuity policies. This policy establishes “National Essential Functions,” prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Therefore it is not much of a leap to conclude that the true purpose of these exercises is to prepare and condition the population and the military to the prospects of martial law. In a San Francisco Chronicle article published this February former U.S. Congressman Dan Hamburg revealed that beginning in 1999, the government had entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Haliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars; some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) has complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. “What kind of “new programs” requires the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?” ask Lewis Seiler and Dan Hamburg.

Disturbingly since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, suspended Habeas Corpus, arrest anyone labeled a dissident (citizen and non-citizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse.

It saddens this U.S. Army veteran to see our Armed Forces misused by those who have no respect for our nation’s laws or traditions.


Is that F**ked up or what.

yugoshooter
07-15-2008, 09:11 AM
They have been in training in Iraq now for years. Ever hear the reports of our guys coming back that say some of the raids against neighborhoods in Iraq were used for scenarios of the marines being in America under some kind of national emergency and Martial law securing Americans as if they are insurgents.

mitunnelrat
07-15-2008, 09:37 AM
The biggest problem I have with these reports is that the military at large already has several facilities available for MOUT training (as stated in the article), which martial law drills are part of, and the drills I participated in were effective using military opfor units acting as civilians. Even if they aren't doing this to condition people to their presence they are certainly pushing the limits of acceptability.

Alredneck
07-15-2008, 11:38 PM
MOUT, and SASO operations in any theater could be construed as martial law cause we inforce it in various countries, but never in any of my training or real world mission have we used the American populace as the targets or subject to be controlled. We have the ability and dont need to go into your town to train for it. There are MOUT sites on most posts that we work at to keep up with are skills and better ones at JRTC, NTC, and KNOX not to mention sometimes we get " invited to go play " in some elses backyard. We assault abandonded jails, schools, hospitals, just about everything under the son. But we do it where the prying eye of civies dont see to well, we do alot of stuff at night. So why would we need to come into podunk town "A" and train? There was a article a while back about some National Gaurd guys doing this kinda stuff, they may not have access to the facilities we do or the budget so it might be feasible, as for the Marines, they are all crazy!

yugoshooter
07-16-2008, 12:37 AM
MOUT, and SASO operations in any theater could be construed as martial law cause we inforce it in various countries, but never in any of my training or real world mission have we used the American populace as the targets or subject to be controlled. We have the ability and dont need to go into your town to train for it. There are MOUT sites on most posts that we work at to keep up with are skills and better ones at JRTC, NTC, and KNOX not to mention sometimes we get " invited to go play " in some elses backyard. We assault abandonded jails, schools, hospitals, just about everything under the son. But we do it where the prying eye of civies dont see to well, we do alot of stuff at night. So why would we need to come into podunk town "A" and train? There was a article a while back about some National Gaurd guys doing this kinda stuff, they may not have access to the facilities we do or the budget so it might be feasible, as for the Marines, they are all crazy! I attend vet groups once a month and some of the vets are ex marines , Some have told me that their scenario was they were searching for Domestic insurgents in The USA after an event takes place. They told me when they did these exercises to have in their mind that when they kick in that door to keep thinking they were Americans behind those doors. Maybe you didn't train this way but it is happening.

Alredneck
07-16-2008, 07:06 PM
Im not understanding, there already insurgents in America operating as we speak! There are guys out there looking for them to, and it aint the MARINES that would be illegal! Now alphabets soup names come across like the ones we work with in Iraq, like FBI, NSA,CIA,INS DEA those guys are actively looking for the guys in this country. Even though we have a oath for foreign and domestic, laws dictate when domestic applies to us. Cause if it didnt I could take a infantry squad and take down drugys and criminals in any city whenever. But we cant do that. They had to use the national guard on the border fence and that was a big taboo. So what you it seems you are saying is the marines are training to make every American a target if something goes down in a part of town. Thats piss poor training, lack of professionalism, and violates the ROE by not picking their Targets. Last I check this wasnt a war zone and even if Martial was declared that doesnt give them the right to " kick in your door", knock and search has worked in various countries to quite an effect, im sure the GOVT will not want the bill for damages for all the doors for innocent folks doors busted up. Martial Law doesnt declare a war zone either and folks need to relize that. It ridiculous

yugoshooter
07-16-2008, 09:01 PM
I have had at least 5 marines,10 army and a dozen or more NG Vets( my nephew being one of them) tell me they trained under a martial law in America to search for Domestic terrorist and most of those vets told me that they were suppose to think the Iraqis were Americans that would not obey the law. So maybe one or two are bullshitting me but the rest told me this with all sincerity on their face and in their voice. I goto my local VFW once a month for their group meetings and almost every month i hear that story from a new guy that just came back. If something major kicks off do you think the Gov will go by the constitution and the law?

Alredneck
07-16-2008, 09:49 PM
If something goes down the GOVT will do what it wants to thats for sure, and you'll just have to pick sides or stay out the way! What state are you in? I know a CSM in TX and he would know alot about this kinda of stuff if its goin on and get the down low. Here in EOD world havent heard nothing, may have to swing up to Ranger Camp and see some Infantry buddies if they heard something. I been to busy trying to get this retirement done but I have trained all over this country and in a couple shitty ones overseas when not fighting and never did nothing like what you are talking about, Nato riot control classes, less than lethal classes, cordon and searches, tcps, prisoner handling, all kinda crap you get when you go places plus all my infantry training, shooting schools, demo, stuff like that but no, Americans are bad if they resist use a controled pair ( double tap is politically incorrect these days ). It must be some new stuff they are doin with in the last year, I will ask around see if I come up with something.

Neckbone
07-17-2008, 12:08 AM
Alrednek, no disrespect intented but by your own assertion "[i]f something goes down the GOVT will do what it wants." This statement is in direct opposition to your previous certainty that martial law does not "give them the right to 'kick in you door.'" I fear that the state and its agents can try to do as they damn well please. I get the feeling, sometimes, that the USA government is the biggest gang of them all.

Alredneck
07-17-2008, 12:34 AM
Right i said by law it doesnt give them the right, but what will most likely happen is what yall have said above, and the service members that are left will be doing the masters biding. But why will they declare Martial law and if they do will it be, or will they go about it Constitutionally?

You have to remember also, a lot of us in the fight, dont fight for the GOVT, we fight for our freedoms, for our families, for our buddies to our left and right, and to piss the hell out of the enemy! We dont know if who we kill is right or wrong but its better than our buddies dying, or the enemy making over to our country and killing our families! We stand watch over all there is and was, we have been hardened in the flames of battle, we live by our code, and integrity. Something thats hard to find these days!

And I say again unless you are on a HVT list then you should have nothing to worry about cause for now we cant touch you, we do not target Americans, now if it comes down to a self-defense issue then whoever gets on the trigger quicker. Im making a couple calls to see if they added the training into some places both active and NG for the ARMY but it will take a day or two.

Firefly
07-19-2008, 10:49 PM
I'll tell ya ,nothing surprises me anymore

Alredneck
07-19-2008, 11:31 PM
It must be a NG or Marine thing cause so far i've called four different post and talked to folks I know and they never heard of it.

I mean in riot control class there is no name to the eggressors you just do your job, and quail the violenc, getting to beat the shit out of people, gas makes even mroe fun, along with non lethal, munitions, they could be iraqis, mexicans,blacks, americans, it doesnt matter if you dont want to list to the guy on the microphone then you call your own fate. As for you mokatlov cocktail folks out there, thats easy way to esclate into machinegun mowdown!

For those caught in this situation crawl pareral toward the nearest sidwalk and stay put or keep crawling back away from the troubl till you can run away, the mobs ussually focus in one area, you want to work to a side of that, dont go to the police cause they may thin you are trying to hurt them, wait for thing to calm down then go.

Airec
07-20-2008, 08:43 AM
This is how our GOVT will be able to do all the above things. Our Constitutional rights will be suspended. It just takes the Presidents signature.


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005
allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051
specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310
grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049
assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921
allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...