McCain or Huckabee

[Stainless]

OK, as many here know I am a Thompson supporter, but if he fails to pull throught in the next few primaries he may be out of the race. If this happens I will need to consider supporting another candidate of similar positions, that can win.

Choices:

Guliani - Not a choice, liberal and doing as bad or worse than Thompson
Romney - Not a choice, flip-flopper, dislike his stances on too many items
Paul - LOL, in a tie for dead last with Thompson and Guliani, plus a little out there for me
McCain - Moderate, differs with me on many views, but electable
Huckabee - Conservative, international/defense problems, maybe electable.

Given the two choices only of McCain and Huck, who would you support. I am thinking big picture and keeping Osama Bin Clinton out of the White House.

Opinions.

[#5950]

RON PAUL OR NOBODY

[chicom]

Sorry man, me neither. I would rather vote for Hillary and put the nation on a fast track to it's demise so we could start all over again.

If we can't fix it now with Ron Paul, a weak holding action will just prolong the misery.

[Stainless]

I guess you missed the question or the logic behind it.

I guess it will be nobody for you, cause it ain't gonna be RP, sorry.

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[#5950]

There is no logic in helping to throw away what little of our Republic is left by voting for socialists. Sorry you fail to understand that.

[Stainless]

I guess we disagree. I do not feel that Thompson, McCain, or Huckabee are socilaists. I just don't see it. And I certainly do not see Ron Paul as the savior of the world. He came 2,008 years ago.

Anyway, back to my question. I am asking for input from rational people on a decision between McCain and Huckabee. I do not care to get into an argument about RP or the 'fact' of how bad he is going to lose, or how he is being oppressed my the media, or how if I do not agree I am an idiot or any other retoric. Can we keep this on the topic I asked.

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[happach]

I am for RP, but being this is a poll for the two mentioned. I would vote for Huck, Mccain is a sorry piece of sh--..... Huck might be better than the idiots on the other side. But I am afraid the majority of this country wants cradel to grave care from uncle sam. Bush and Rep have crapped thier pants badly.... The country may vote demo times three.... Then we will be headed at light speed to the bottom.

[Ragin Cajun]

I'd have to say Huckabee. Not because he is the right man for the job. He most certainly is *not*

The reason why is because while Hitlery/democrap administration would revive a stronger, harsher weapons ban, the likes of which has never seen before. This would be done within the first six months of an administration. In a Huckabee administration, This would probably take at least a year or so, gauging from the underhandedness of the last few administrations.

The more time we have to prepare, the better off we are. This is assuming Ron Paul does *not* get the nomination. Even the Vegas bookies, who make their living on odds, are saying the *only* candidate that can beat the Hildebeast is Ron Paul.

I am fully convinced that Hitlery Clinton administration will be the one that starts CW2. I can feel it in my bones, man

[alpmco]

Not much to choose from.
I'm a Fred supporter but I am a realist too and know he ain't gonna make it. He hasn't got the fire in his campaign personality. Too laid back for many people. But I like that. I listened to Fred the other day and he answered a mans question just the way I wanted to hear someone say it. He said if the task in question is not a constitutional provision for the federal government then the the tenth amendment rules and it is a state issue. I've been waiting for more candidates to see it this way. Fred is also a firm supporter of the 2nd amendment.
I like a lot of RP but we differ on a few major points. Again, he ain't gotta chance. I see RP dropping off the rep ticket. You know the Libertarian party does not have a final candidate and I think in the end it will be RP (Still no chance)

Choices:

Guliani - Not a choice, too liberal and the only thing going for him is his stance on foreign policy.
Romney - I have no problem with is religion but I disagree with several of his positions.
Huckabee - Ok, Chuck Norris is a good thing. At first I thought that was joke. To many questionable positions. Religious right? I'm concerned his religious beliefs will do him like Carter and interfere with his decisions. As a bonus he does seem to support the fair tax.
http://www.fairtax.org
McCain - Moderate, old, differs with me on many views, but I think I could support him.

As for the Dem side ...
Senator Clinton? No f'in way. I don't trust her to be anything but a deceitful b ... b ... dog in heat!
Obama .... I'd rather have root canal. I don't see any difference in policy between him an the Hildabeast.
Edwards ... the lesser of the three evils. Although his policies are really no different I think I could put a bit more trust in him to do the right things.

I will vote for Fred in the primary but I don't expect him to pull it out. If Fred is not an option I will go with McCain.
If I had bee smart I would have changed parties and voted on the Dem ticket for Edwards. :scratch:

[alpmco]

I'm quickly re evaluating my previous post!
I'm starting to move away from the McCain possibility.
He was behind the amnesty for illegals bill (McCain / Kennedy)
He was behind a bill that included limits on free speech (see McCain Feinglid campaign reform)
He has also bought into the global warming being caused by man idea.
Still researching ... :bang:

[chicom]

Stainless my man, this is how I see it. The leading candidates offered by the GOP and DNC are just different shades of the same turd.

I'm tired of having to vote for the lesser of two evils.

That's all.

[alpmco]

It really is the lesser of the evils.
I can break for party line and often do. But really the majority of the voters only vote their party with little thought used in the process of selection. They vote for their candidate because Oprah or Limbaugh say to!
Unfortunately if you are not a republican or a democrat you have little chance of being president. That is why RP went to the GOP.

This country has dug itself in the hole by allowing "anyone" to vote. There is no Constitutional right to vote in a federal election. There is no Constitutional right to vote for President of the United States. It isn’t there. . Not even in the Bill of Rights. There was a reason for our founding fathers to do it that way.

Hell, women voted for Clinton and Kennedy on the basis of their good looks! :bang:

[alpmco]

Sorry man, me neither. I would rather vote for Hillary and put the nation on a fast track to it's demise so we could start all over again.
If we can't fix it now with Ron Paul, a weak holding action will just prolong the misery.
That statement is scary as hell!
Unfortunately, you may be very correct!
I'm just not sold that RP will not give the country away to our enemies. I don't like our troops being in Iraq but the dammage is done and I don't see how we can withdrawal ... yet. Although it does place us in a good position should we need to go up against Iran ... but I don't see that happening. Due to poor planning I think we are stuck there for a few more years. It's all really screwed up and I don't see any good options from anyone trying to get my vote.

[Stainless]

I appreciate the votes, of course its tied so no big help. LOL

As far as voting on party lines, I do, because by definition I am a Republican, so I tend to vote Republican. I am not a libertarian, so I am not a supporter of RP. I do not agree with his military policies, his view on Iraq, or his foreign policy. I am a very informed and even somewhat educated voter. I am a landowner so I even qualify under the original guidelines for voting. I have even run for local office (county commissioner). I read everything that I can about every candidate that I think may be a possibility and I weigh my views with those of the candidates that are running. I also (as a realist) look at if a candidate can win, or if I am backing a dead horse. That is my problem with this election cycle. I have looked at the positions, past and present, of each of the candidates and I felt that Fred Thompson 'best' suited my beliefs and views, however, if he cannot win, I need to look at trying to help someone who can win that can still support the majority of my views.

I will say as a third generation memeber of the armed forces and a veteran of the first Gulf War and grandson of a WWII veteran, I will not be happy if Ron Paul becomes Commander-in-cheif. Anyone who believes that we should not have military interests anywhere in the world is just asking for the world to rise up against us. Its kind of like moving into a gated community and not caring about crime outside the gates, because you have a gate guard to keep the goblins out.

[mjollnir]

Stainless my man, this is how I see it. The leading candidates offered by the GOP and DNC are just different shades of the same turd.

I'm tired of having to vote for the lesser of two evils.

That's all.



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[alpmco]

I appreciate the votes, of course its tied so no big help. LOL
Remove my vote for McCain. I'm finding too much I don't like about him.
<snip> I read everything that I can about every candidate that I think may be a possibility and I weigh my views with those of the candidates that are running. I also (as a realist) look at if a candidate can win, or if I am backing a dead horse. That is my problem with this election cycle. I have looked at the positions, past and present, of each of the candidates and I felt that Fred Thompson 'best' suited my beliefs and views, however, if he cannot win, I need to look at trying to help someone who can win that can still support the majority of my views.
Our primary is next week in Florida. The way I see it it is too early to write Fred odd. Unfortunately, the news media and pollsters have written him off and the lemmings are following their lead. That is what is happening with you (I'm not calling you a Lemming!) ... it's just that you see the news and see no possibility of your first choice winning so you are already looking at the alternatives. As a realist you have to and I am also looking at the possibilities. But it's still wide open so I roll with Fred next week.

IMO the rest are turds. All the online quizzes put me in the Libertarian party. RP is a strict constitutionalist but I have one major disagreement with him. He will not protect this country from Islamic terrorists and fascism. I suppose because of years of US policy the Islamic genie is already out of the bottle but now it must be contained. Otherwise I could support RP ... Although he does seem to have a large vocal following of nut balls.
:scratch:

[Christian for Israel]

Ron Paul

[Choles]

Ron Paul's views on foreign policy are Forest Gump like. The ideal candidate would have Paul's views on the economy and Congressional spending but a hawkish foreign policy, like McCain or Huckabee propose. Paul's foreign policy was great for the 19th century, as per George Washington's own farewell address also noted. In today's world, when you are about 30 minutes from ballistic meltdown, you need a comprehensive foreign policy; you need allies to kill terrorists; you need intelligence from your own and allied countries for protection. That's especially true where Islamonazis want to kill you, no matter what your policy is, now matter how you treat them. It's easy for Paul to talk about our entanglements abroad, but I live near New York (yikes) and I don't want to glow just yet. Screw Paul and every other do nothing idiot on national defense. And as the great Forest Gump say, "that's all I'm gonna say about that."

[alpmco]

Ron Paul
No, I don't put you or anyone else on this forum in the "nut ball" category ... YET ! :lol: :lol: :lol: But there are lots of them out on the streets.

"Forest Gump like" ... That's funny!
I agree though. Isolationism became obsolete very quickly after Orville and Wilbur did their thing at Kitty Hawk, NC. Isolationism didn't work in the 1930's although many tried. I don't think any of us would ignore threats made by a neighbor or even someone living a mile away. It wouldn't take but a few minutes for that person to jump in a car and try to gun you down. Hell, a scorned Astronautett drove from Texas to KSC just to confront her lovers other woman and try to abduct her.

[shtfmilitia]

Ron Paul

[Ltlabner]

Sadly, I don't think any of the Repub candiates are worth a crap. And it goes from bad to horrific on the Dem side (it would have to take a mighty impressive Dem to get me to go over to the dark side anyway).

McCain is a closet liberal and partially nutty. The press-lovefest will end as soon as he gets the nom and they will tear him apart. He can't beat Hillary or Obama. Huckabee is a flat out liberal who just goes to church alot. He might be able to beat Hillary and Obama, but I'm not sure the outcome would be any different once he's in office.

I'm not a Romny fan at all, but at this point, I think the only way to beat the Dems is for him to start talking economy all-day and all-night. If he can pin the Dems down, and get them to confess what they *really* want to do to "fix" the economy (you know, raise taxes, increase spending even beyond the current nutty levels, punish corporations back into the stone age, make more dependants...the usual stuff) then we might have a chance.

The other thing he'll have to do is talk immigration all day and night. If he can pin the Dems into confessing what they *really* want to do to "fix" the problem we might have a chance. I'm sure there answer will be along the lines of amnesty, drivers liscences, state funded healthcare, state funded educations, free collage scholarships, money assistance to get started once they cross the border, money to actually make the crossing, and (of course) punishing those mean, nasty border guards who try to stop them.

[alpmco]

Fred dropped out! :crybaby: Well, he didn't have a chance ...
No, I don't like McCain ore really Huckabee. I'm now torn between Romny, Paul and the NYC gangster who's name I can't spell ... Guilliani, Gilligan ... whatever! I wish I could roll up the best parts and make an new candidate.
:bang:

[Stainless]

Well, Thompson is officially out of the race, so I have officially endorsed another candidate.

After much research and soul searching and even attending a rally, I have decided to support and campaign for ...


...wait for it...


...John McCain.

And before anyone sends me a virus or mails me a letter bomb or deletes me from the forum, I had to choose someone and it was not going to be Romney or Guliani, and I worry about Huckabee on defense and national security and there is no way, no how, that I would elect Ron Paul as garbage collector. I am not a Libertarian, I am a Republican.

McCain/Thompson '08

[alpmco]

It's your choice ... no problems.
I hear you. Defense and national security are foremost on my mind. I admit I have an agenda here ... I want to get it done and over with before my son has to deal with it. Being realistic I know even if we take care of the current problem another one will come along. Hopefully Klaatu will soon land with his robot Gort and tell the people of Earth that they must live peacefully or be destroyed as a danger to other planets.

A lesser issue for me is the economy. I must be the only one in the world that does not have a problem right now. I had problems the last few years, business wise, but since about October last year it has improved. Go figure, bad economy in the USA makes good business for me. Well the workers in the factory in Illinois are happy because I am exporting their products to the Middle East, Far East and Africa! it keeps the beans on our tables. As for housing prices ... I'm not buying or selling so it is not an issue.

Still, this is going to come down to voting for the least smelly turd.
I do fall in the area between Libertarian and Republican. Mostly toward libertarian but some issues I just can't ignore. I wouldn't trust Clinton or Obama to watch after my dog.

[Dog Soldier 75]

Between the two, I'd have to go with McCain, basically because I feel he's the best equipped (of the two) to prosecute the war.

Up to me, I'd have Duncan Hunter as commander-in-chief. Ron Paul is a bit out there, IMO.